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Nov 9, 2013 10:47 PM
Man Hendo's chin is incredible, those shots would have left anyone stiff as a board and this dude only got flash ko'd and was still fighting til the end. Dude is not human. The sound when that kick landed was something other worldly. I feel for him, 3 fight losing streak and his contract is up. Hope to see him back but he's been looking older and older recently.
Nov 9, 2013 10:47pm
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Nov 10, 2013 9:19 AM
Belfort is on more than just TRT. No way does a 36yr old perform like that. He won't be licensed to fight in Nevada or California that's for sure. Hell he hasn't fought in the states for nearly 2 years.
Nov 10, 2013 9:19am
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Nov 10, 2013 9:45 AM
Yeah but Dana white doesn't care
Nov 10, 2013 9:45am
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Nov 10, 2013 11:55 AM
Crazy how Vitor gets shit on all the time for TRT use but guys like Chael and Hendo get no flack.
Nov 10, 2013 11:55am
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Nov 10, 2013 12:31 PM
robj55;1533045 wrote:Crazy how Vitor gets shit on all the time for TRT use but guys like Chael and Hendo get no flack.
One has turned into the Hulk, the others have not. Belfort is doing more than just TRT. Look at different his body has changed since his last fight against Silva. Massive changes and it was done quick. Picture here is comparing him from 126 to vs Rockhold

Nov 10, 2013 12:31pm
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Nov 10, 2013 12:52 PM
End of Line;1533055 wrote:One has turned into the Hulk, the others have not. Belfort is doing more than just TRT. Look at different his body has changed since his last fight against Silva. Massive changes and it was done quick. Picture here is comparing him from 126 to vs Rockhold

He is flexing in the bottom right pic and not in the other, also he is tanner which gives the impression that he is more ripped up. They are testing him throughout camp so that his levels are within legal range. The issue is trt. Chael was a career journeyman and is now one of the top MW and LHW's in the world, is TRT to fault for that as well?
Nov 10, 2013 12:52pm
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Nov 11, 2013 8:12 AM
robj55;1533065 wrote:He is flexing in the bottom right pic and not in the other, also he is tanner which gives the impression that he is more ripped up. They are testing him throughout camp so that his levels are within legal range. The issue is trt. Chael was a career journeyman and is now one of the top MW and LHW's in the world, is TRT to fault for that as well?
If it was just TRT, please give a valid reason why he only fights in Brazil now and never fights in the US?

Anderson Silva is the biggest draw in Brazil and he still fights in the US as well. Why not Vitor?

To directly answer your question, Henderson and Sonnen both are tested in the US and their levels are never out of range. If Vitor is tested in Brazil it would be the first I've heard of it.

His only fight outside of Brazil he's had in 2 years he lost. In the fights he's had in Brazil he's killing people.

I'm not saying for sure he's doing something against the rules, but please someone give a valid reason why he only fights in Brazil now?
Nov 11, 2013 8:12am
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Nov 11, 2013 2:43 PM
jmog;1533610 wrote:If it was just TRT, please give a valid reason why he only fights in Brazil now and never fights in the US?

Anderson Silva is the biggest draw in Brazil and he still fights in the US as well. Why not Vitor?

To directly answer your question, Henderson and Sonnen both are tested in the US and their levels are never out of range. If Vitor is tested in Brazil it would be the first I've heard of it.

His only fight outside of Brazil he's had in 2 years he lost. In the fights he's had in Brazil he's killing people.

I'm not saying for sure he's doing something against the rules, but please someone give a valid reason why he only fights in Brazil now?
I've actually heard that Vitor is just as popular if not more popular than Anderson in Brazil. That's just it, he is there to sell tickets and do huge ratings in Brazil. Vitor has been tested throughout camp multiple times and has always been within range. Chael got popped at UFC 117 but everyone glances over that because he is Chael. That fight in Canada was against the best fighter on the planet so you're really gonna hold that against him. Like I said he fights there because he is a megastar there. I'm not a TRT fan btw I just think it's hypocrisy to only point the finger at Vitor. Hnedo has been on it for 7 years and Chael went from career journeyman to megastar here in the US and millionaire. You know how many seats they could sell out in Brazil with a Vitor/Anderson rematch, easily 100,000 from what I've heard.The UFC is a business plain and simple.
Nov 11, 2013 2:43pm
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Nov 11, 2013 3:10 PM
That JJ site has a MMA thread with only six posts.

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Nov 11, 2013 3:10pm
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Nov 11, 2013 3:43 PM
robj55;1533836 wrote:I've actually heard that Vitor is just as popular if not more popular than Anderson in Brazil. That's just it, he is there to sell tickets and do huge ratings in Brazil. Vitor has been tested throughout camp multiple times and has always been within range. Chael got popped at UFC 117 but everyone glances over that because he is Chael. That fight in Canada was against the best fighter on the planet so you're really gonna hold that against him. Like I said he fights there because he is a megastar there. I'm not a TRT fan btw I just think it's hypocrisy to only point the finger at Vitor. Hnedo has been on it for 7 years and Chael went from career journeyman to megastar here in the US and millionaire. You know how many seats they could sell out in Brazil with a Vitor/Anderson rematch, easily 100,000 from what I've heard.The UFC is a business plain and simple.
1. I am not a fan of the TRT either and don't like that Hendo/Chael do it.
2. Who says he was tested all during training? You know he gets tested being a main event when in the US.
Nov 11, 2013 3:43pm
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Nov 11, 2013 3:50 PM
jmog;1533881 wrote:1. I am not a fan of the TRT either and don't like that Hendo/Chael do it.
2. Who says he was tested all during training? You know he gets tested being a main event when in the US.
Dana said they test the hell out of him throughout camp and as far as I know they do test in Brazil especially for a main event. They may not test the entire card but many times they do and especially the main event. I believe the Brazilian commission tested Vitor throughout his camp as well, I read an article on it.
Nov 11, 2013 3:50pm
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Nov 11, 2013 4:04 PM
robj55;1533883 wrote:Dana said they test the hell out of him throughout camp and as far as I know they do test in Brazil especially for a main event. They may not test the entire card but many times they do and especially the main event. I believe the Brazilian commission tested Vitor throughout his camp as well, I read an article on it.
I would love to be proven wrong, because I actually like Vitor as a fan, just thought things had got 'shady' with him.

Have a link from Dana that they tested him and/or that the Brazilians did?

In the past, on international cards, the UFC does the testing (but it is kept private, not public like the state commissions). As much as the athletic commissions are retarded, I still would trust their numbers over the UFC's as DW and the Fertitas have a monetary interest in the fighters passing the tests.
Nov 11, 2013 4:04pm
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Nov 11, 2013 4:12 PM
jmog;1533890 wrote:I would love to be proven wrong, because I actually like Vitor as a fan, just thought things had got 'shady' with him.

Have a link from Dana that they tested him and/or that the Brazilians did?

In the past, on international cards, the UFC does the testing (but it is kept private, not public like the state commissions). As much as the athletic commissions are retarded, I still would trust their numbers over the UFC's as DW and the Fertitas have a monetary interest in the fighters passing the tests.
I feel conflicted rooting for him too, feel like he's the Barry Bonds of MMA almost. http://www.mmamania.com/2013/11/10/5087882/dana-white-vitor-belfort-has-not-been-abusing-trt-and-theres-no . I'll try and find the other one where it talks about testing as well.
Nov 11, 2013 4:12pm
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Nov 11, 2013 9:10 PM
I don't trust brazilians testing a Brazilian in Brazil. If he fights in America and goes through the WADA testing that a lot of fighters are doing these days then I will stfu about him juicing
Nov 11, 2013 9:10pm
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Nov 11, 2013 9:52 PM
sportchampps;1534027 wrote:I don't trust brazilians testing a Brazilian in Brazil. If he fights in America and goes through the WADA testing that a lot of fighters are doing these days then I will stfu about him juicing
THIS!!! To easy to hide something or pay to have it disappear
Nov 11, 2013 9:52pm
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Nov 11, 2013 9:59 PM
sportchampps;1534027 wrote:I don't trust brazilians testing a Brazilian in Brazil. If he fights in America and goes through the WADA testing that a lot of fighters are doing these days then I will stfu about him juicing
From what I understand, WADA doesn't actually test.
Nov 11, 2013 9:59pm
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Nov 11, 2013 10:30 PM
jmog;1533890 wrote:I would love to be proven wrong, because I actually like Vitor as a fan, just thought things had got 'shady' with him.

Have a link from Dana that they tested him and/or that the Brazilians did?

In the past, on international cards, the UFC does the testing (but it is kept private, not public like the state commissions). As much as the athletic commissions are retarded, I still would trust their numbers over the UFC's as DW and the Fertitas have a monetary interest in the fighters passing the tests.
Dana defends Vitor in the link below, but he does not say they are testing him. No worries, Vitor is testing himself every week.

“For the fight with Rockhold, I did seven blood tests,” Belfort said. “I did one every week. I have records of all of them. Some of the results are even lower than they should be, and the doctor said, ‘You should probably increase,’ and I said, ‘No, I don’t want to get to a level that’s bad for me.’

“I just want people to know that I have a conscience, and I wanted to have something, a record, that for the rest of my life people can know I was doing something right. I don’t ever want to cheat.”

I laugh at Vitor having to tell his own doctor to tone down the Testerone, even though I know he didn't mean it like that.

http://mmajunkie.com/2013/06/16/ufc-boss-vitor-belfort-has-been-unjustly-beat-down-for-the-trt-thing/
Nov 11, 2013 10:30pm
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Nov 12, 2013 6:53 AM
Pretty sure the NSAC said they wouldn't approve Vitor taking TRT because of past issues. Fuck Vitor.
Nov 12, 2013 6:53am
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Nov 12, 2013 8:10 AM
Bog ol steroid head...

Nov 12, 2013 8:10am
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Nov 14, 2013 7:00 AM
Who does everyone have for saturday? I highlighted who I want to win, not necessarily who I think will win.

Georges St-Pierre vs Johny Hendricks
Rashad Evans vs. Chael Sonnen
Rory MacDonald vs. Robbie Lawler
Josh Koscheck vs. Tyron Woodley
Tim Elliott vs. Ali Bagautinov


Preliminary card (Fox Sports 1)
Donald Cerrone vs. Evan Dunham
Ed Herman vs. Thales Leites
Brian Ebersole vs. Rick Story
Erik Perez vs. Edwin Figueroa
Nov 14, 2013 7:00am
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Nov 14, 2013 8:11 AM
Raw Dawgin' it;1535393 wrote:Who does everyone have for saturday? I highlighted who I want to win, not necessarily who I think will win.

Georges St-Pierre vs Johny Hendricks
Rashad Evans vs. Chael Sonnen
Rory MacDonald vs. Robbie Lawler
Josh Koscheck vs. Tyron Woodley
Tim Elliott vs. Ali Bagautinov


Preliminary card (Fox Sports 1)
Donald Cerrone vs. Evan Dunham
Ed Herman vs. Thales Leites
Brian Ebersole vs. Rick Story
Erik Perez vs. Edwin Figueroa
My picks, really just hope GSP wins. Not a fan of Hendricks.
Nov 14, 2013 8:11am
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Nov 14, 2013 8:31 AM
I Wear Pants;1535409 wrote:My picks, really just hope GSP wins. Not a fan of Hendricks.
How come?
Nov 14, 2013 8:31am
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Nov 14, 2013 8:57 AM
Of all the dominate champions (Anderson, GSP, Aldo, Bones) I think GSP has been the one fans have been able to talk themselves into losing the most. It seems that since the Serra fight it is always the narrative of all it takes is one punch, and GSP is gone.

I haven't really bought into that for anyone he has fought until now. Hendricks should be able to keep this on the feet and will be dangerous. GSP might get takedowns but he won't be able to hold him there for long. This is the the most dangerous fight he has had and I give Hendricks a 35% shot of winning.
Nov 14, 2013 8:57am
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Nov 14, 2013 9:42 AM
That analysis is pretty much spot on
Nov 14, 2013 9:42am
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Nov 14, 2013 10:05 AM
Raw Dawgin' it;1535412 wrote:How come?
Doesn't seem very bright and has been pretty tinfoil at times. And his whole not understanding the difference between VADA/WADA and making it a big deal. Plus I like watching GSP fight. Guess I just never got on the Hendricks train, I don't hate the dude or anything, just like GSP more.
Nov 14, 2013 10:05am