OSH
Posts: 4,145
Dec 6, 2011 10:56pm
Not all are "walk-ons" though. Many are recruited. Many get some form of athletic aid (if they are DII or NAIA).ccrunner609;1005050 wrote:Walk ons that are paying $30,000 a year for school. These colleges arent stupid.
I actually had some more written, but I lost it. Basically said that schools that have large rosters like that are driven by enrollment. They get their enrollment and recruitment numbers from the athletic department. The other thing that is part of the equation is male student population...it's something that is often not talked about. Male sports have higher rosters more commonly than female sports because male college enrollment is decreasing (and will over the next 10+ years, which is projected). So, they use the sports to attract males to higher education...like you said, "colleges aren't stupid."
2kool4skool
Posts: 1,804
Dec 7, 2011 2:06am
Manhattan Buckeye;1005013 wrote:The difference:
One requires being moderately fast for a long period of time.
The other requires being VERY fast for a long period of time.
Well that's not the only difference. Soccer requires higher top end speed, more overall coordination, and occasional contact.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Dec 7, 2011 2:40am
2kool4skool;1005140 wrote:Well that's not the only difference. Soccer requires higher top end speed, more overall coordination, and occasional contact.[/QUOTE
Yeah and my occasional contact and no coordination results in the other team running 40 yards away. Even in World Cup the players don't run constantly (usually because Pierre is faking an injury, another concept that the soccer nerds ignore, the ridiculous faking of injuries). You can't fake that in running. It is a full action behavior, and a violent action to your body, you can't just half-ass it.
No way OSH or anyone else (except perhaps CCRunner) has pulled a sub 35 10K and keep that type of shape for multiple races in a season.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Dec 7, 2011 2:45am
LOL STFU. Nobody gives a shit about running. Seriously, STFU.Manhattan Buckeye;1005143 wrote:Yeah and my occasional contact and no coordination results in the other team running 40 yards away. Even in World Cup the players don't run constantly (usually because Pierre is faking an injury, another concept that the soccer nerds ignore, the ridiculous faking of injuries). You can't fake that in running. It is a full action behavior, and a violent action to your body, you can't just half-ass it.2kool4skool;1005140 wrote:Well that's not the only difference. Soccer requires higher top end speed, more overall coordination, and occasional contact.
No way OSH or anyone else (except perhaps CCRunner) has pulled a sub 35 10K and keep that type of shape for multiple races in a season.
Also, your faking injuries comment was idiotic. Faking injuries has happened in every major sport, as well as "flopping." Not just a soccer thing.
It's been done in the NFL, NBA, and hell, even baseball.
2kool4skool
Posts: 1,804
Dec 7, 2011 2:47am
Don't worry, I have no doubt you were the stud of your intramural leagues back in the day. You should have put your athletic ability to good use and done something other than XC though.Manhattan Buckeye;1005143 wrote:Yeah and my occasional contact and no coordination results in the other team running 40 yards away. Even in World Cup the players don't run constantly (usually because Pierre is faking an injury, another concept that the soccer nerds ignore, the ridiculous faking of injuries). You can't fake that in running. It is a full action behavior, and a violent action to your body, you can't just half-ass it.
No way OSH or anyone else (except perhaps CCRunner) has pulled a sub 35 10K and keep that type of shape for multiple races in a season.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Dec 7, 2011 2:57am
Soccer makes it an art, and it doesn't happen in running.hoops23;1005145 wrote:LOL STFU. Nobody gives a **** about running. Seriously, STFU.
Also, your faking injuries comment was idiotic. Faking injuries has happened in every major sport, as well as "flopping." Not just a soccer thing.
It's been done in the NFL, NBA, and hell, even baseball.
You run any race, a 5K or whatever, there are no points for acting like a pussy and have the other runners stop. The goal is to get to the end, it is a sport with a definitive winner. The winner gets there. Heck, IMO it is the most classic sport. Either you run faster than the others do, or don't and lose, and lose big if you aren't in competitive shape.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Dec 7, 2011 3:00am
I was indeed pretty good, and still am. I just don't understand how people piss on running. It is all about training, mental endurance and actually being timed.2kool4skool;1005146 wrote:Don't worry, I have no doubt you were the stud of your intramural leagues back in the day. You should have put your athletic ability to good use and done something other than XC though.
You can't fake it.
You can't hide it.
Either you get there faster, or you don't.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Dec 7, 2011 3:04am
Cool story, but I said MAJOR sports all have an instance of flopping.Manhattan Buckeye;1005148 wrote:Soccer makes it an art, and it doesn't happen in running.
You run any race, a 5K or whatever, there are no points for acting like a pussy and have the other runners stop. The goal is to get to the end, it is a sport with a definitive winner. The winner gets there. Heck, IMO it is the most classic sport. Either you run faster than the others do, or don't and lose, and lose big if you aren't in competitive shape.
Running isn't, nor will ever be considered "major."
Soccer >>>>>>>> CC
Fact.
Baseball, basketball, football >>>>>>>>> CC
Another fact.
Ratings, viewership, attendance, and $$$$ don't lie, so it doesn't really matter what your opinion is or how upset you get over it.
Also, while I don't care for CC, I'm not going to bash individuals who do it, like some people do with soccer.
The fact is, you couldn't play soccer at a high level, just the same as you make claims of people who couldn't run a sub 35 10K.
This is skill..
[video=youtube;OjLTBC8QF_0][/video]
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Dec 7, 2011 3:08am
Sorry, embedding was disabled by request.
Did the dude act like his leg was falling off after being hit?
Did the dude act like his leg was falling off after being hit?
2kool4skool
Posts: 1,804
Dec 7, 2011 3:09am
A bunch of uncoordinated holocaust survivors running for 15 minutes. Color me unenthused.Manhattan Buckeye;1005149 wrote:I was indeed pretty good, and still am. I just don't understand how people piss on running. It is all about training, mental endurance and actually being timed.
You can't fake it.
You can't hide it.
Either you get there faster, or you don't.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Dec 7, 2011 3:13am
Oh damn, sick burn dude.Manhattan Buckeye;1005151 wrote:Sorry, embedding was disabled by request.
Did the dude act like his leg was falling off after being hit?
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Dec 7, 2011 3:17am
Or a great one from Messi
[video=youtube;HOSwI3oI5Kg][/video]
[video=youtube;HOSwI3oI5Kg][/video]
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Dec 7, 2011 3:21am
I got the video, were his teammates kissing him?
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Dec 7, 2011 3:23am
Probably.Manhattan Buckeye;1005155 wrote:I got the video, were his teammates kissing him?
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Dec 7, 2011 3:26am
Was able to get this video as well.....the majority of players on the field were standing around, and maybe jogging.hoops23;1005154 wrote:Or a great one from Messi
[video=youtube;HOSwI3oI5Kg][/video]
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Dec 7, 2011 3:48am
Watched the video multiple times, dude on white team was incredibly out of position on the "southeast" side of the screen, made his best effort to stop the goal (and failed), tough luck for him. The rest of the guys walking around (in a sport where supposedly you run constantly) didn't help much.
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Dec 7, 2011 7:08am
What race was this? The NCAA does not run the marathon? I take it she ran for a smaller school, NAIA?OSH;1004857 wrote:Not true.
She wins it in 1:31ish. She also almost was an All-American in the marathon. She qualified for the marathon in December, which would've been a month and a half after our season ended. She beat the A-standing by 5+ minutes. She finished the marathon 2-4 spots out of All-American status. ..
In cross country, you don't get rest periods every time the ball goes out of bounds, corner kick or somebody scores. Plus, unless you have the ball every minute of the game, you will have some slowing down and moving slow just to stay in position.2kool4skool;1005001 wrote:It's comical watching XC and Soccer guys argue about who's sport is tougher. They're both distance running, one just requires you to kick a ball once in a while.
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Dec 7, 2011 7:30am
Not argument here, just a rebuttal.2kool4skool;1005140 wrote:Well that's not the only difference. Soccer requires higher top end speed, more overall coordination, and occasional contact.
Soccer players get to rest a lot more during their game. Compared to a XC race, soccer players should be able to sprint faster for those few seconds before resting again.
Malone Invite (college 8k race) in 1990 had two runners stop about 200 meters after the start and get into a fist fight. No ref's came and stopped it or handed out yellow cards. A lot more contact in XC then you realize......my shins and ankles have the scars to prove it
Also, coordination I question also. The ground XC runners race on is not groomed, like soccer fields.
Check out Okie State's college invite, they have man-made barriers you must hurdle. Some XC courses cross streams, like Heidelberg U. Another example is Wilmington Colleges XC course, which has roots sticking out all over the place.
password
Posts: 2,360
Dec 7, 2011 8:31am
Who would be the winner if you put the following people in a room, locked the door and let them fight it out until only one was standing ?
1. Wrestler
2. Football Player
3. Baseball Player
4. Basketball Player
5. Soccer player
6. XC player
1. Wrestler
2. Football Player
3. Baseball Player
4. Basketball Player
5. Soccer player
6. XC player
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Dec 7, 2011 8:39am
BTW everyone needs to watch Hoops23's video.
Aside from (i) the Mulletude of the great player (Messi), (ii) the walking around of guys apparently not caring he is trying score, you have (iii) a guy complaining to the referees at the 1:20 mark.
Is it an official rule of soccer that they have to gripe at the refs/fake an injury every game?
Aside from (i) the Mulletude of the great player (Messi), (ii) the walking around of guys apparently not caring he is trying score, you have (iii) a guy complaining to the referees at the 1:20 mark.
Is it an official rule of soccer that they have to gripe at the refs/fake an injury every game?
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Dec 7, 2011 8:43am
Haha I don't want to get into this debate anymore but this is so true. Peope who say there is no contact hasn't really ever been out there. I've seen people try and run others into trees/woods, guys get intentionally spiked, get shoved down on purpose and you will constantly get elbowed especially in big meets, and as you mentioned guys get into fist fights.said_aouita;1005194 wrote:Malone Invite (college 8k race) in 1990 had two runners stop about 200 meters after the start and get into a fist fight. No ref's came and stopped it or handed out yellow cards. A lot more contact in XC then you realize......my shins and ankles have the scars to prove it.
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Dec 7, 2011 8:54am
No way I'd put the XC runner at 3rd maybe even 2nd. No one would give a shit about the XC runner he would probably just run around the room while the others fight each other out of it. A soccer player would easily be last he would cower to the ground as soon as you laid a finger on him. The baseball player would be next just cause he is lazy and wouldn't give a shit. The basketball player would act all tough then just get laid out real quick by a football player or wrestler. And then the football player and wrestler would worry about beating each other to prove who was the most dominate.password;1005242 wrote:Who would be the winner if you put the following people in a room, locked the door and let them fight it out until only one was standing ?
1. Wrestler
2. Football Player
3. Baseball Player
4. Basketball Player
5. Soccer player
6. XC player
But I can make a generic statement to fight my arguement. You're on a jungle island and 200 miles across it is a boat and the first one there gets back to their home land safely. Who wins? I'd go:
1)XC Runner
2)Wrestler
3)Soccer Player
4)Football Player
5)Basketball Player
6)Baseball Player
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Dec 7, 2011 8:57am
It is unfortunate when it happens, but usually the guys involved catch a race marshall and get back in the game. I was only in one "melee" involving an incident where a guy shoved my teammate into a cornfield - we worked it out, got back in but it still cost us at least 40 seconds of time. The race continues.Iliketurtles;1005256 wrote:Haha I don't want to get into this debate anymore but this is so true. Peope who say there is no contact hasn't really ever been out there. I've seen people try and run others into trees/woods, guys get intentionally spiked, get shoved down on purpose and you will constantly get elbowed especially in big meets, and as you mentioned guys get into fist fights.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Dec 7, 2011 9:08am
That's easy...unless the other 5 all attacked the wrestler at once...the wrestler. If it was 1 on 1 "combat" while in said room, the wrestler wins and its not even close.password;1005242 wrote:Who would be the winner if you put the following people in a room, locked the door and let them fight it out until only one was standing ?
1. Wrestler
2. Football Player
3. Baseball Player
4. Basketball Player
5. Soccer player
6. XC player
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Dec 7, 2011 9:15am
I think it probably depends on his weight class.jmog;1005289 wrote:That's easy...unless the other 5 all attacked the wrestler at once...the wrestler. If it was 1 on 1 "combat" while in said room, the wrestler wins and its not even close.