sleeper;1001637 wrote:Okay, if you want to spin it that way, I'll go find the 1000's CBs that don't have a lot of tackles and zero interceptions and start threads why they should be in the Heisman race because they are so good, no one throws to them. LOL You're a joke, and its pathetic you and your SEC(read: no life) buddies get their jolly's off on other teams players.

Well dipshit, what I said was no one has introduced the whole story as to how well he really stacks up because we haven't seen those numbers. So, you could start that thread but it would be just as retarded as every other time you try to break from your over-the-top character and have a reasonable discussion - you fail miserably because your facts are always either wrong (sometimes completely made up) or completely irrelevant.

I don't recall ever saying Mathieu should win, just that no one is going to really evaluate what matters in his case (whether it would help him or not). Some people are sold on his big plays, most people won't even consider him because he doesn't play offense. I'm not sure how you get jollies, but it were that easy I probably wouldn't do anything else.

enigmaax;1001669 wrote:Well dip****, what I said was no one has introduced the whole story as to how well he really stacks up because we haven't seen those numbers. So, you could start that thread but it would be just as retarded as every other time you try to break from your over-the-top character and have a reasonable discussion - you fail miserably because your facts are always either wrong (sometimes completely made up) or completely irrelevant.

I don't recall ever saying Mathieu should win, just that no one is going to really evaluate what matters in his case (whether it would help him or not). Some people are sold on his big plays, most people won't even consider him because he doesn't play offense. I'm not sure how you get jollies, but it were that easy I probably wouldn't do anything else.

You can't have it both ways. Either you put up stats because people know you are terrible and overrated so you get a lot of tackles but no picks. Or no one throws to you and you don't get any stats because you are the GOAT. Owned. Ruined. I win again.

sleeper;1001691 wrote:You can't have it both ways. Either you put up stats because people know you are terrible and overrated so you get a lot of tackles but no picks. Or no one throws to you and you don't get any stats because you are the GOAT. Owned. Ruined. I win again.

Um, no, not at all. How many catches did his guys have? How many of his tackles were on guys who just caught the ball? How many of the passes thrown at him resulted in incompletions, were deflected, were INTs (consider these numbers against the number of throws at him)? There's a lot of variables that no one has talked about.

The guy makes a lot of run-stopping tackles. I don't know how many catches he actually allowed and how that number compares to others at the position. Obviously, neither do you. For about the third time, I'll say, those raw numbers you provided do not offer proof of anything and until we start looking at the right data, there isn't going to be a valid basis for a conclusion. You hate the SEC, LSU, etc. so you threw out a few basic numbers that don't tell the whole story. I've already admitted that whether a person argues for or against him it is going to be based on limited information and thus, not really a fair evaluation.

So, enjoy that bonus check you get for pretending to win an internet argument.

He made it to NY, but isn't even the best player on his team. Of the 5 finalist, I think it's down to Luck and RGIII.

Have to say that those who should have made it did. However, I have a feeling the way the votes go wont be how they should.

enigmaax;1001707 wrote:Um, no, not at all. How many catches did his guys have? How many of his tackles were on guys who just caught the ball? How many of the passes thrown at him resulted in incompletions, were deflected, were INTs (consider these numbers against the number of throws at him)? There's a lot of variables that no one has talked about.

I don't know. I'd spend time looking them up to disprove you but then you'll just spin even more. I've never seen a Florida fan sucked off another team's player so much, but it is the SEC where fucking your brother is the norm.

sleeper;1003367 wrote:I don't know. I'd spend time looking them up to disprove you but then you'll just spin even more. I've never seen a Florida fan sucked off another team's player so much, but it is the SEC where ****ing your brother is the norm.

Dumb. I would vote for RGIII.