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Dec 4, 2011 3:57 PM
This board has officially hit the crappers. A shame
Dec 4, 2011 3:57pm
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Dec 4, 2011 5:54 PM
SportsAndLady;1000865 wrote:Lhslep cannot post something without saying the words (or any of their derivatives):

Ignorant
Objective
Subjective


Seriously shut the **** up law school ***

What isn't ignorant about saying that INTs are the only stat that matters for a cornerback? What's not ignorant about saying that Mathieu is a glorified punt returner?

If I'm being ignorant, I'll gladly take it in stride instead of QQing about it. Stop crying S&L
Dec 4, 2011 5:54pm
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Dec 4, 2011 5:55 PM
Crimson streak;1000869 wrote:He's Automatic knows more than everyone cause he's in law school lol what a douche
Nothing I said about Se_Alum's ignorance was wrong. Mathieu is not in the Heisman conversation because he's a kick returner, he's in it because he's one of the best all around players in college football.
Dec 4, 2011 5:55pm
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Dec 4, 2011 5:59 PM
lhslep134;1001265 wrote:Nothing I said about Se_Alum's ignorance was wrong. Mathieu is not in the Heisman conversation because he's a kick returner, he's in it because he's one of the best all around players in college football.

It's not just in this thread I've noticed it in other threads you come off as an arrogant prick bc you think your better than everyone else cause your in law school
Dec 4, 2011 5:59pm
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Dec 4, 2011 6:00 PM
athlete37;1000915 wrote:This board has officially hit the crappers. A shame
go join a notre dame board then, you vag.
Dec 4, 2011 6:00pm
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Dec 4, 2011 6:05 PM
Crimson streak;1001271 wrote:It's not just in this thread I've noticed it in other threads you come off as an arrogant prick bc you think your better than everyone else cause your in law school
I've been a member of JJhuddle/FH/OC for 8 years now. I haven't once changed how I post or what I say. I'm about 100% sure I wasn't in law school 8 years ago.

If you can't handle being called ignorant, DON'T MAKE IGNORANT STATEMENTS.
Dec 4, 2011 6:05pm
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Dec 4, 2011 6:08 PM
lhslep134;1001265 wrote:Nothing I said about Se_Alum's ignorance was wrong. Mathieu is not in the Heisman conversation because he's a kick returner, he's in it because he's one of the best all around players in college football.
He wasn't in the Heisman conversation, until those 2 punt returns last night. So go on with your ignorant this, ignorant that statements. I'll gladly eat crow when they hand the Heisman Trophy to Mathieu. End of conversation.
Dec 4, 2011 6:08pm
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Dec 4, 2011 6:15 PM
se-alum;1001293 wrote:He wasn't in the Heisman conversation, until those 2 punt returns last night. So go on with your ignorant this, ignorant that statements. I'll gladly eat crow when they hand the Heisman Trophy to Mathieu. End of conversation.
He was in the first half, but he became a no name up until a few weeks ago. Now its being brought up again. But, as I said, he wont win because of the "gotta play offense" garbage.
Dec 4, 2011 6:15pm
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Dec 4, 2011 6:19 PM
se-alum;1001293 wrote:He wasn't in the Heisman conversation, until those 2 punt returns last night.
Yes, he was. This article is from a week ago

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-11-28/heisman-watch-robert-griffin-slight-edge-over-trent-richardson
One more week to go before Heisman ballots are e-mailed and the votes are tallied. Baylor's Robert Griffin still has work to do. Same for Houston QB Case Keenum, Oklahoma State QB Brandon Weeden, Wisconsin running back Montee Ball, LSU cornerback Tyrann Mathieu and others.
Anything else you'd like to add?
Dec 4, 2011 6:19pm
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Dec 4, 2011 6:23 PM
lhslep134;1001324 wrote:Yes, he was. This article is from a week ago

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-11-28/heisman-watch-robert-griffin-slight-edge-over-trent-richardson



Anything else you'd like to add?
Around the LSU/WVU game people on ESPN were saying that "if they would vote now, he would be their pick". Im pretty sure Desmond and Herbie felt that way among others. He was in the talks after that too, up until close to the suspension.
Dec 4, 2011 6:23pm
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Dec 4, 2011 6:30 PM
se-alum;1001350 wrote:Like I said, I'll eat my crow when they hand him the trophy.
Like I said, you made ignorant statements and you've done nothing but make my points look more and more valid.


Who said anything about him winning? You literally just said he wasn't in the conversation until yesterday and I proved you wrong, and now you'll only eat crow when he wins?

You're ridiculous.
Dec 4, 2011 6:30pm
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Dec 4, 2011 6:34 PM
lhslep134 wrote:But you said he wasn't even in the conversation, I showed he was, and now you're saying you'll ONLY eat crow when he wins?

I didn't even say anything about his chances of winning. You're incredible.
Well thank you!


This was lhs's original statment, but he has trouble sticking with initial statements.
Dec 4, 2011 6:34pm
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Dec 4, 2011 6:47 PM
sleeper;1000609 wrote:http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/501149/david-amerson

A quick google. 11 INTs. TM7 isn't even a top 5 corner in college football. And this guy has more tackles.

TM7 is a fraud and a product of the CBS SEC machine that gets stuffed down our throats on a daily basis.
Not gonna have a lot of INTs when no one is throwing at you. And you aren't going to have as many tackles when your guy isn't catching the ball. See how those raw numbers match up to the times these guys have been thrown at and they'd mean a little more.

There hasn't been a game changer like Mathieu who didn't play offense in a long time in college football. He won't win because too many people are used to seeing offensive stat linee, which enables more of a baseline for comparison. The offensive guys in the discussion are mostly there because everyone knew they were good coming into the season (the same reason Ball isn't getting more attention). But after every single big game that LSU's won, Mathieu is the one people talk about. There isn't really anyone else that has done that.
Dec 4, 2011 6:47pm
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Dec 4, 2011 6:52 PM
se-alum;1001375 wrote:Well thank you!


This was lhs's original statment, but he has trouble sticking with initial statements.
You're not going to address the rest of my post? Figures. People tend to selectively post when they're wrong.

Not to mention my post was edited before you even made yours.
Dec 4, 2011 6:52pm
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Dec 4, 2011 6:54 PM
But Enigmaax, he's only a kick returner....
Dec 4, 2011 6:54pm
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Dec 4, 2011 6:56 PM
enigmaax;1001415 wrote:Not gonna have a lot of INTs when no one is throwing at you. And you aren't going to have as many tackles when your guy isn't catching the ball. See how those raw numbers match up to the times these guys have been thrown at and they'd mean a little more.

There hasn't been a game changer like Mathieu who didn't play offense in a long time in college football. He won't win because too many people are used to seeing offensive stat linee, which enables more of a baseline for comparison. The offensive guys in the discussion are mostly there because everyone knew they were good coming into the season (the same reason Ball isn't getting more attention). But after every single big game that LSU's won, Mathieu is the one people talk about. There isn't really anyone else that has done that.
Except he has alot of tackles for a cornerback, which would suggest teams do throw at him with success. I saw one game where he got smoked badly twice. No doubt he's a great playmaker, but his greatest attribute is as a kick returner. People seem to think I'm hating on Mathieu, and I'm not. He's alot of fun to watch, but I'm a realist. Being a great return man isn't going to win you the trophy. Charles Woodson had 8 int's, 2 rec TD's, 1 rushing TD, 1 return TD, and was a lockdown corner during his Heisman campaign. That's what it takes to win a Heisman as a defensive player. People can call me ignorant if they want, but it's the truth.
Dec 4, 2011 6:56pm
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Dec 4, 2011 7:01 PM
se-alum;1001460 wrote:Except he has alot of tackles for a cornerback, which would suggest teams do throw at him with success. I saw one game where he got smoked badly twice. No doubt he's a great playmaker, but his greatest attribute is as a kick returner. People seem to think I'm hating on Mathieu, and I'm not. He's alot of fun to watch, but I'm a realist. Being a great return man isn't going to win you the trophy. Charles Woodson had 8 int's, 2 rec TD's, 1 rushing TD, 1 return TD, and was a lockdown corner during his Heisman campaign. That's what it takes to win a Heisman as a defensive player. People can call me ignorant if they want, but it's the truth.
Like I said, the INTs, the tackles....those things would mean something if we looked more at how many times he was thrown at or how many catches his guy has had. I don't know enough about those details to know how he stacks up and chances are, the Heisman voters aren't doing that research either. That is the problem. I've seen the guy make a hell of a lot of tackles against the run and just simply don't recall him getting beat or being out of position on passes often. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, but I also remember more big plays than any other defensive player that I've seen in big games in the last decade plus. Again, point being, nobody really arguing for or against him has put his performance into a real context so the guy isn't really going to get a fair shake either way. It is just hard to measure a defensive players real impact on the game because the stats aren't as easy to keep/read/find as offensive stats.
Dec 4, 2011 7:01pm
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Dec 4, 2011 7:01 PM
se-alum;1001460 wrote:Except he has alot of tackles for a cornerback, which would suggest teams do throw at him with success. I saw one game where he got smoked badly twice. No doubt he's a great playmaker, but his greatest attribute is as a kick returner. People seem to think I'm hating on Mathieu, and I'm not. He's alot of fun to watch, but I'm a realist. Being a great return man isn't going to win you the trophy. Charles Woodson had 8 int's, 2 rec TD's, 1 rushing TD, 1 return TD, and was a lockdown corner during his Heisman campaign. That's what it takes to win a Heisman as a defensive player. People can call me ignorant if they want, but it's the truth.
Well in his case, it's because he makes a lot of tackles against the run, not because he's thrown at successfully.

Anyways, that's not an ignorant post at all, I respectfully disagree, but it's a far cry from the post that I originally commented on.

Curiously, what do you make of his 6 forced fumbles? Or 2 defensive touchdowns? He's got as many touchdowns as Woodson had.
Dec 4, 2011 7:01pm
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Dec 4, 2011 7:07 PM
Actually they do throw at him a lot bc they don't want to throw at clayborn.
Dec 4, 2011 7:07pm
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Dec 4, 2011 7:11 PM
5 of the last 6 lshlep posts contained ignorant or its derivatives

Its becoming a fun game
Dec 4, 2011 7:11pm
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Dec 4, 2011 7:17 PM
SportsAndLady;1001515 wrote:5 of the last 6 lshlep posts contained ignorant or its derivatives

Its becoming a fun game
Or because I addressed SE_Alum's last sentence of his post.
Dec 4, 2011 7:17pm
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Dec 4, 2011 7:17 PM
He didnt do much in punt returns until the past 2 w/e's. He wasnt no PP7 in returning punts. And he's not a kickoff returner. He has gotten burnt on some pass plays, and alot of his tackles are against the run. But, how many sacks, forced fumbles, fumble recoveries, pass deflections, defensive td's has he had? He's had a good amount. He's all over the place.
Dec 4, 2011 7:17pm
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Dec 4, 2011 7:42 PM
enigmaax;1001415 wrote:Not gonna have a lot of INTs when no one is throwing at you. And you aren't going to have as many tackles when your guy isn't catching the ball. See how those raw numbers match up to the times these guys have been thrown at and they'd mean a little more.
Okay, if you want to spin it that way, I'll go find the 1000's CBs that don't have a lot of tackles and zero interceptions and start threads why they should be in the Heisman race because they are so good, no one throws to them. LOL You're a joke, and its pathetic you and your SEC(read: no life) buddies get their jolly's off on other teams players.
Dec 4, 2011 7:42pm