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Dec 13, 2009 11:46 AM
Belly35 wrote: Belly is sitting back waiting for the smoke to clear to stir the pot again.

I'm busy today shopping for two families for Christmas, sending out 20 shoe boxes of toys to kids in other counties of Christmas and last buying three $100.00 gift cards (I get the fuel perks) for some other families at church for Christmas.

Merry Christmas


Hint of what my reply to some of you:
Is Mother Fucker as bad as Rag Head ?
What is the slang for a fat, uneducated, poorly-spoken racist?

Happy HOLIDAYS Belly, you douchebag ...
Dec 13, 2009 11:46am
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Dec 13, 2009 12:35 PM
BigAppleBuckeye wrote: What is the slang for a fat, uneducated, poorly-spoken racist?
Hoosier? :D
Dec 13, 2009 12:35pm
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Dec 13, 2009 12:39 PM
BigAppleBuckeye wrote:

What is the slang for a fat, uneducated, poorly-spoken racist?
Al Sharpton?
Dec 13, 2009 12:39pm
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Dec 13, 2009 12:53 PM
Happy Holidays Belly, you scumbag.
Dec 13, 2009 12:53pm
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Dec 13, 2009 1:40 PM
BRF wrote:

^^^That right there is just wrong.

IMO, of course.
Oh, but this was perfectly fine? I didn't see you saying this was wrong.
Belly35 wrote:

If you’re offended because I say, Merry Christmas to you…… eat shit and die

Happy Hanukkah, Yo Kwanzaa or some Rag Head Verbiage Slogan ....My reply is Merry Christmas …sorry but that what I say. This may not be the correct reply but I really don’t care.
And obviously my post was tongue-in-cheek; we know Belly is far from PC. We do know, however, that he is an uneducated bigot that has very poor writing and analytical skills.
Dec 13, 2009 1:40pm
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Dec 13, 2009 3:06 PM
Saying "you should have shot more babies and women" was "tongue in cheek"? That's the part I objected to. IMO, whatever belly has said pales in comparison to that.
Dec 13, 2009 3:06pm
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Dec 13, 2009 3:36 PM
well my wife is baking chrismas cookies and my grandaugter and i are singing chrismas carols and doing our christmas cards. merry christmas to all and happy holidays to the rest
Dec 13, 2009 3:36pm
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Dec 13, 2009 3:38 PM
BRF wrote: Saying "you should have shot more babies and women" was "tongue in cheek"? That's the part I objected to. IMO, whatever belly has said pales in comparison to that.


BRF, I believe dwwcrew was posting that tongue and cheek. Over on the old political forum, some dude named skyraider used to harrass Belly and another poster on that all the time. To the point where I just put the guy on ignore, he disgusted me so bad.
So, I can see where Crew was coming from.
Dec 13, 2009 3:38pm
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Dec 13, 2009 3:40 PM
ramadan mubarak, Belly
Dec 13, 2009 3:40pm
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Dec 13, 2009 3:50 PM
I appreciate your explanation, CenterBHSFan. The comment just grinded me the wrong way. I like to poke at belly, too, from time to time. But that one went a little too far, again IMO. And whoever disagrees with me on it, so be it. I just wanted to have my say.
Dec 13, 2009 3:50pm
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Dec 13, 2009 4:06 PM
I always find these types of threads humorous. Much of this is an outgrowth of the conservatives and their continuing perception of loss of perceived "control" over the country. Courts have struck down the govt displays of "religious themes" and businesses taking a neutral postion using a Happy Holdiay theme in not offending anyone. The point has ALWAYS been, if YOU want to make a religious display at your home of your choice or wish someone a Merry Christmas, no one is stopping you. However, to let you dicate your bullsh!t ideas on everyone isn't going to fly anymore. Tough cookies. Anyone who wishes me either Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas gets a similar reply. Businesses decorating for the holidays is fine even if they only say happy holidays. But there is always some azzhole looking to cause trouble. And always for some stupid religious reason they want to impose on all.
Dec 13, 2009 4:06pm
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Dec 13, 2009 5:19 PM
Paladin wrote: I always find these types of threads humorous. Much of this is an outgrowth of the conservatives and their continuing perception of loss of perceived "control" over the country. Courts have struck down the govt displays of "religious themes" and businesses taking a neutral postion using a Happy Holdiay theme in not offending anyone. The point has ALWAYS been, if YOU want to make a religious display at your home of your choice or wish someone a Merry Christmas, no one is stopping you. However, to let you dicate your bullsh!t ideas on everyone isn't going to fly anymore. Tough cookies. Anyone who wishes me either Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas gets a similar reply. Businesses decorating for the holidays is fine even if they only say happy holidays. But there is always some azzhole looking to cause trouble. And always for some stupid religious reason they want to impose on all.
Hey you neophyte, you can spell out bullshit and asshole on here and not look like some teenager trying to be cool.
Dec 13, 2009 5:19pm
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Dec 13, 2009 8:38 PM
BRF wrote: Saying "you should have shot more babies and women" was "tongue in cheek"? That's the part I objected to. IMO, whatever belly has said pales in comparison to that.
Also, the mentioning of Belly being PC was kind of a joke, if you didn't pick up on that either; but then again, you are a teacher so I wouldn't expect you to detect sarcasm. :)
Dec 13, 2009 8:38pm
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Dec 13, 2009 8:43 PM
dwccrew wrote: Also, the mentioning of Belly being PC was kind of a joke, if you didn't pick up on that either; but then again, you are a teacher so I wouldn't expect you to detect sarcasm. :)
Nice one! BUT....I actually am pretty sharp and can detect sarcasm AND deal it out, too. I missed the "Belly being PC" quip, though........sorry.

Soooo................I give you a Christmas gift:



Merry Christmas, everybody....................we are getting closer to it, aren't we?

Enjoy!
Dec 13, 2009 8:43pm
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Dec 13, 2009 8:45 PM
BRF wrote:
dwccrew wrote: Also, the mentioning of Belly being PC was kind of a joke, if you didn't pick up on that either; but then again, you are a teacher so I wouldn't expect you to detect sarcasm. :)
Nice one! BUT....I actually am pretty sharp and can detect sarcasm AND deal it out, too. I missed the "Belly being PC" quip, though........sorry.

Soooo................I give you a Christmas gift:



Merry Christmas, everybody....................we are getting closer to it, aren't we?

Enjoy!
You are a rare breed of teacher then, none of mine could pick up on it when I was in school 10 years ago.

Merry Christmas to you as well. And Happy Holidays to everyone else!
Dec 13, 2009 8:45pm
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Dec 13, 2009 8:50 PM
dwccrew wrote: You are a rare breed of teacher then, none of mine could pick up on it when I was in school 10 years ago.
My students (NEARLY all of them) like me, but some people don't like me letting the students "have their say"! :rolleyes:

Imagine that!
Dec 13, 2009 8:50pm
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Dec 14, 2009 1:42 AM
Now that the name calling, bashing and derogatory remarks are down to a roar let see if I can get the views and comment court up to the Boobs and Booty threads. To some of you that looked past the shock statement and offered some support I thank you.

I'm not up this late because I want to one of my Goldens is sick ..... an old guy 9 years old and I'm worried about him. He seems to be Ok now but I will watch him for a little while.

Racist and bigot aren’t we all. You’re just not bold enough to admit it. Trying to keep your politically correct status and that squeaky clean persona.
I say what I think and take from personal experiences to make my case for my opinions.

1. Looking past the race, nationality and gender is difficult in many situations. I’m almost sure that many of you who called me a racist have used the slang word right after MF to describe a person of a different race or nationality in a few situations in your bubble boy life. Knee jerk reaction or inter feeling? Feeling taught or expressed by family member or friends or even learned by personal experiences. It happens...
2. Never in your life used slang words to describe nationalities? Maybe that protected box you live in you’re clueless to what is the slang for some nationalities. I’m sure Upper can fill you in ….Am I correct Upper?
3. Let not forget the gender bigotry ……Boobs and Booty Thread “What to bang that shit”

I would have to say if you are guilty of any two of the above please delete your racist and bigot comment about me because you are no different from me …Racist and bigot aren’t we all.


Christmas is the time of year when Christians celebrate the Birth of Christ in short a Christian Holiday. The retail profiteering has diminished the Christmas to the point of tell their workers that Merry Christmas is not politically correct and the usage of other more pleasing slogan is required. Why because the other non-Christian will be offended.
I’m sorry but why should Christian compromise their belief and the traditions, songs and symbols of Christmas. Why should I have to alter traditions for being a Christian, if the other spiritual groups want to pile onto Christmas then live with the traditions of a Christian Christmas. I will not waver this is a Christian Holiday show me the manger, play those Christian Worship Song and the Merry Christmas banner. Also after the purchase of gifts to be put under the Christmas tree is made a Merry Christmas is in order clerk person.

Hanukkah ….Happy Hanukkah and a Happy Hanukkah to you.
I would venture to say that 60% of the people that replied this way have no clue and could not shed any light to what Hanukkah is, nor the important meaning behind Hanukkah. To those of you that are Jewish does that not offend you? It like they are mocking you. I do know the important of the event and respect the tradition from the 19th to the 25th. Problem is my savior is born and has come yours has not. Maybe I should show a little more respect and say Merry Hanukkah…what do you think?

Hey! I do have a question for the Jewish population on the Freehuddle and I’m serious about this. You guys give out nine days of gifts ….right?
Do you send nine packages to one kid of an underprivileged country or do you even have programs like that at the Temple?

Kwanzaa ……This has been dump somewhat…….. Sorry bro it is now Ok celebrate Christmas.

Ragheads …. The Religion of peaces ….my ass
If you want to talk about women and baby killers …….. Strap a bomb to a handicap kid and send him to the market. That the Religion of Peace.

My squad and I saved more lives ………..but you think what you want. So you're saying all American Soldier are baby killer or just Vietnam? Please clarify

Why do some of you only relate intelligence to spelling and grammar?
Are you not educated in the knowledge of general intelligence and multiple intelligence?
Based on many of your comments and your narrow mindedness of spelling and grammar equals intelligences I would say you’re an idiot.
Dec 14, 2009 1:42am
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Dec 14, 2009 2:29 AM
Belly35 wrote: Now that the name calling, bashing and derogatory remarks are down to a roar let see if I can get the views and comment court up to the Boobs and Booty threads. To some of you that looked past the shock statement and offered some support I thank you.

I'm not up this late because I want to one of my Goldens is sick ..... an old guy 9 years old and I'm worried about him. He seems top be Ok now but I will watch him for a little while.

Racist and bigot aren’t we all. You’re just not bold enough to admit it. Trying to keep your politically correct status and that squeaky clean persona.
I say what I think and take from personal experiences to make my case for my opinions.

1. Looking past the race, nationality and gender is difficult in many situations. I’m almost sure that many of you who called me a racist have used the slang word right after MF to describe a person of a different race or nationality in a few situations in your bubble boy life. Knee jerk reaction or inter feeling? Feeling taught or expressed by family member or friends or even learned by personal experiences. It happens...
2. Never in your life used slang words to describe nationalities? Maybe that protected box you live in you’re clueless to what is the slang for some nationalities. I’m sure Upper can fill you in ….Am I correct Upper?
3. Let not forget the gender bigotry ……Boobs and Booty Thread “What to bang that shit”

I would have to say if you are guilty of any two of the above please delete your racist and bigot comment about me because you are no different from me …Racist and bigot aren’t we all.


Christmas is the time of year when Christians celebrate the Birth of Christ in short a Christian Holiday. The retail profiteering has diminished the Christmas to the point of tell their workers that Merry Christmas is not politically correct and the usage of other more pleasing slogan is required. Why because the other non-Christian will be offended.
I’m sorry but why should Christian compromise their belief and the traditions, songs and symbols of Christmas. Why should I have to alter traditions for being a Christian, if the other spiritual groups want to pile onto Christmas then live with the traditions of a Christian Christmas. I will not waver this is a Christian Holiday show me the manger, play those Christian Worship Song and the Merry Christmas banner. Also after the purchase of gifts to be put under the Christmas tree is made a Merry Christmas is in order clerk person.

Hanukkah ….Happy Hanukkah and a Happy Hanukkah to you.
I would venture to say that 60% of the people that replied this way have no clue and could not shed any light to what Hanukkah is, nor the important meaning behind Hanukkah. To those of you that are Jewish does that not offend you? It like they are mocking you. I do know the important of the event and respect the tradition from the 19th to the 25th. Problem is my savior is born and has come yours has not. Maybe I should show a little more respect and say Merry Hanukkah…what do you think?

Hey! I do have a question for the Jewish population on the Freehuddle and I’m serious about this. You guys give out nine days of gifts ….right?
Do you send nine packages to one kid of an underprivileged country or do you even have programs like that at the Temple?

Kwanzaa ……This has been dump somewhat…….. Sorry bro it is now Ok celebrate Christmas.

Ragheads …. The Religion of peaces ….my ass
If you want to talk about women and baby killers …….. Strap a bomb to a handicap kid and send him to the market. That the Religion of Peace.

My squad and I saved more lives ………..but you think what you want. So you're saying all American Soldier are baby killer or just Vietnam? Please clarify

Why do some of you only relate intelligence to spelling and grammar?
Are you not educated in the knowledge of general intelligence and multiple intelligence?
Based on many of your comments and your narrow mindedness of spelling and grammar equals intelligences I would say you’re an idiot.
1. I'm bold enough to admit I've said things in my time that could DEFINITELY be taken as racist and bigoted. I spent nearly my entire "growing up" years in a predominantly white, small-town community. While the prejudice might have been subtle, I still grew up around it and it did rub off on me. College changed that (a two-year roommate of mine was Palestinian; a great guy who was gifted with enough patience to not beat my ass down and instead became a great friend who I learned a lot from and vice versa). If me disclosing that causes anyone to think less of me, so be it. I've learned a lot through life and changed a great deal since I was younger.

2. As to the Christian Christmas thing.....one thing I've always been amused by is the fact that no one knows when Jesus was supposedly actually born, but CHRISTmas (Dec. 25) is HIS day. To simply quote a Wiki snippet (not saying it's 100% for real, but to bring out another reason why Xmas is a Christ thing): "It is believed that Christmas' date was chosen to take advantage of the imperial holiday of the birth of the Sun God Mithras, more specifically Sol Invictus, which coincided with the "return of the sun" after the shortest day of the year. According to this theory, the reason was to replace the popular pagan holiday with a Christian celebration of holy communion. For example, the Catholic Encyclopedia states: "Natalis Invicti, celebrated on 25 December, has a strong claim on the responsibility for our December date."

Hmmmm.....replacing a pagan holiday with a Christian one.....that's NEVER happened! While not religious, I have no issues with those who are (my relationship with my mother would take a hit if I did). I do have issues with the concept that your religion created all these holidays and whatnot, though, as they tend to be Christian takes on "pagan" holidays.
Dec 14, 2009 2:29am
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Dec 14, 2009 2:48 AM
Heretic wrote:
Belly35 wrote: Now that the name calling, bashing and derogatory remarks are down to a roar let see if I can get the views and comment court up to the Boobs and Booty threads. To some of you that looked past the shock statement and offered some support I thank you.

I'm not up this late because I want to one of my Goldens is sick ..... an old guy 9 years old and I'm worried about him. He seems top be Ok now but I will watch him for a little while.

Racist and bigot aren’t we all. You’re just not bold enough to admit it. Trying to keep your politically correct status and that squeaky clean persona.
I say what I think and take from personal experiences to make my case for my opinions.

1. Looking past the race, nationality and gender is difficult in many situations. I’m almost sure that many of you who called me a racist have used the slang word right after MF to describe a person of a different race or nationality in a few situations in your bubble boy life. Knee jerk reaction or inter feeling? Feeling taught or expressed by family member or friends or even learned by personal experiences. It happens...
2. Never in your life used slang words to describe nationalities? Maybe that protected box you live in you’re clueless to what is the slang for some nationalities. I’m sure Upper can fill you in ….Am I correct Upper?
3. Let not forget the gender bigotry ……Boobs and Booty Thread “What to bang that shit”

I would have to say if you are guilty of any two of the above please delete your racist and bigot comment about me because you are no different from me …Racist and bigot aren’t we all.


Christmas is the time of year when Christians celebrate the Birth of Christ in short a Christian Holiday. The retail profiteering has diminished the Christmas to the point of tell their workers that Merry Christmas is not politically correct and the usage of other more pleasing slogan is required. Why because the other non-Christian will be offended.
I’m sorry but why should Christian compromise their belief and the traditions, songs and symbols of Christmas. Why should I have to alter traditions for being a Christian, if the other spiritual groups want to pile onto Christmas then live with the traditions of a Christian Christmas. I will not waver this is a Christian Holiday show me the manger, play those Christian Worship Song and the Merry Christmas banner. Also after the purchase of gifts to be put under the Christmas tree is made a Merry Christmas is in order clerk person.

Hanukkah ….Happy Hanukkah and a Happy Hanukkah to you.
I would venture to say that 60% of the people that replied this way have no clue and could not shed any light to what Hanukkah is, nor the important meaning behind Hanukkah. To those of you that are Jewish does that not offend you? It like they are mocking you. I do know the important of the event and respect the tradition from the 19th to the 25th. Problem is my savior is born and has come yours has not. Maybe I should show a little more respect and say Merry Hanukkah…what do you think?

Hey! I do have a question for the Jewish population on the Freehuddle and I’m serious about this. You guys give out nine days of gifts ….right?
Do you send nine packages to one kid of an underprivileged country or do you even have programs like that at the Temple?

Kwanzaa ……This has been dump somewhat…….. Sorry bro it is now Ok celebrate Christmas.

Ragheads …. The Religion of peaces ….my ass
If you want to talk about women and baby killers …….. Strap a bomb to a handicap kid and send him to the market. That the Religion of Peace.

My squad and I saved more lives ………..but you think what you want. So you're saying all American Soldier are baby killer or just Vietnam? Please clarify

Why do some of you only relate intelligence to spelling and grammar?
Are you not educated in the knowledge of general intelligence and multiple intelligence?
Based on many of your comments and your narrow mindedness of spelling and grammar equals intelligences I would say you’re an idiot.
1. I'm bold enough to admit I've said things in my time that could DEFINITELY be taken as racist and bigoted. I spent nearly my entire "growing up" years in a predominantly white, small-town community. While the prejudice might have been subtle, I still grew up around it and it did rub off on me. College changed that (a two-year roommate of mine was Palestinian; a great guy who was gifted with enough patience to not beat my ass down and instead became a great friend who I learned a lot from and vice versa). If me disclosing that causes anyone to think less of me, so be it. I've learned a lot through life and changed a great deal since I was younger.

2. As to the Christian Christmas thing.....one thing I've always been amused by is the fact that no one knows when Jesus was supposedly actually born, but CHRISTmas (Dec. 25) is HIS day. To simply quote a Wiki snippet (not saying it's 100% for real, but to bring out another reason why Xmas is a Christ thing): "It is believed that Christmas' date was chosen to take advantage of the imperial holiday of the birth of the Sun God Mithras, more specifically Sol Invictus, which coincided with the "return of the sun" after the shortest day of the year. According to this theory, the reason was to replace the popular pagan holiday with a Christian celebration of holy communion. For example, the Catholic Encyclopedia states: "Natalis Invicti, celebrated on 25 December, has a strong claim on the responsibility for our December date."

Hmmmm.....replacing a pagan holiday with a Christian one.....that's NEVER happened! While not religious, I have no issues with those who are (my relationship with my mother would take a hit if I did). I do have issues with the concept that your religion created all these holidays and whatnot, though, as they tend to be Christian takes on "pagan" holidays.
Yeah, when my brother brought up that Jesus wasn't even born in December last year, my family had a fit. They refused to believe that. Fun times, lol.
Dec 14, 2009 2:48am
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Dec 14, 2009 7:25 AM
I forgot to add two things to my post last night:

Upper Come-on Son You have heard more racist and bigot comments in one Rap CD does that make you go Ummmm ...... also?

To the women and ladies who come to the Freehuddle please feel free to post pictures of your favorite Penis photos.
Many are offended by my comments of Raghead and derogative bigot statements but they seem to be OK with the male bigotry view, chauvinist mentality and the derogative viewing of women. Showing little respect for your gender and the women on the Freehuddle. Sure that MF word make many of you women feel good about yourself.
So fair is fair …post your Penis Picture ….. Maybe a good Thread title would be
“Dick Heads”
Dec 14, 2009 7:25am
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Dec 14, 2009 7:42 AM
Always respect the females---my mother was one
Dec 14, 2009 7:42am
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Dec 14, 2009 8:39 AM
From what I could read and understand, I thought your post was pretty good, belly. A little radical at times, but I agree with most of it. I do agree that we all, in some way, have our own racist/bigot reservations. We don't bring them to the forefront of our personalities, but they do exist... really, if we like it or not. They're there.

My only beef (at this time of year) are the people who get so offended by what people say. If someone tells me Happy Holidays, so be it. I'm OK with that. Life is too short for me to get offended by something like that.
Dec 14, 2009 8:39am
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Dec 14, 2009 8:58 AM
Well, I think people should teach themselves about the differences in these words:

racist
bigot
prejudice

People tend to intertwine these words to mean the same thing. They are not.
.......................
So fair is fair …post your Penis Picture ….. Maybe a good Thread title would be “Dick Heads”
Hilarious!
Dec 14, 2009 8:58am
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Dec 14, 2009 9:07 AM
ernest_t_bass wrote: From what I could read and understand, I thought your post was pretty good, belly. A little radical at times, but I agree with most of it. I do agree that we all, in some way, have our own racist/bigot reservations. We don't bring them to the forefront of our personalities, but they do exist... really, if we like it or not. They're there.

My only beef (at this time of year) are the people who get so offended by what people say. If someone tells me Happy Holidays, so be it. I'm OK with that. Life is too short for me to get offended by something like that.

I'm offended by the fact that many groups use the Christmas to promote their spritiual claims but want to alter our Christian standards of traditions. I don't waver from my values and tradition. Am I to be the " Hate One of the Freehuddle because I don't waver from my inherited rights? In the retail area the promotion of Christmas is the big sales for the end of the year (this can make of brake the profits of many stores) but refuse to express the true nature of Christmas...Birth of Christ.
You can't have it both ways IMO.
Wanting to be politically correct is bullshit if you have not figure it out yet ...being politcally correct has done nothing but create fraud.

Standards, values, honesty, morals and being truthful of our feeling is what is needed to undersatnd all relationship ....hinding behind politcial correctnes behind the PC make them a fraud, racist and bigot.
Dec 14, 2009 9:07am
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Dec 14, 2009 9:16 AM
Belly35 wrote: To the women and ladies who come to the Freehuddle please feel free to post pictures of your favorite Penis photos.
Many are offended by my comments of Raghead and derogative bigot statements but they seem to be OK with the male bigotry view, chauvinist mentality and the derogative viewing of women. Showing little respect for your gender and the women on the Freehuddle. Sure that MF word make many of you women feel good about yourself.
So fair is fair …post your Penis Picture ….. Maybe a good Thread title would be
“Dick Heads”
That would constitute nudity. The ladies are free to post pictures of shirtless guys, guys in speedos, etc. I don't care, just no dangles.
Dec 14, 2009 9:16am