hoops23
Posts: 15,696
Jan 4, 2012 2:46am
I disagree about TP being "leaps and bounds" a better athlete than Miller...
Miller is much more agile/shifty while running and makes harder cuts than TP did as well.
Both are freak athletes.
However, an athlete at QB doesn't mean shit. That's where Miller will become who he is. I think he's going to be a MUCH better QB than TP ever was at OSU.
Miller is much more agile/shifty while running and makes harder cuts than TP did as well.
Both are freak athletes.
However, an athlete at QB doesn't mean shit. That's where Miller will become who he is. I think he's going to be a MUCH better QB than TP ever was at OSU.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Jan 4, 2012 9:46am
I absolutely loathe Pryor and what the FPOS did to our program but he is so much better an athlete than Miller it's ridiculous to even have this argument. Accuracy rarely improves in QBs from the time they leave HS, field vision improves, reading defenses improves, pocket recognition & pass selection improves but "accuracy" is an inate coordination skill that pretty much stays the same. Miller has an accuracy deficiency that I'm afraid will continue to haunt us. Meyer you can bet your ass has already determined this and is scouring the country for his 2013 QB.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jan 4, 2012 10:58am
Then why did Meyer appear to have a raging boner when asked about Miller during his introduction as the new coach?Tiernan;1038258 wrote: Meyer you can bet your ass has already determined this and is scouring the country for his 2013 QB.
To me it seems like Miller just needs to relax, yes I know easier said then done. I've seen him make good throws in small windows and then botch wide open touch downs. At this point I definitely think it's fixable. Some tend to forget that he's a true freshman. Pryor had issues throwing his freshman year too and progressed every year. He was raw as shit coming out of high school while Miller is a little more polished.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Jan 4, 2012 11:42am
You're wrong.Automatik;1038393 wrote:Then why did Meyer appear to have a raging boner when asked about Miller during his introduction as the new coach?
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jan 4, 2012 12:48pm
About? Please enlighten me.Tiernan;1038468 wrote:You're wrong.
By the time 2013 comes around Miller will have almost 2 full seasons under his belt as a starter. If he hasn't improved, then we can have this discussion.
namod65
Posts: 508
Jan 5, 2012 5:13pm
imex99;979062 wrote:From the comments...
Huge difference, Pryor was throwing to Robiskie, Hartline, Sanzo, Ballard. No comparison really.
All on current nfl rosters!
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This is the biggest difference. But one just as big that goes along with this Pryor had a guy named BEANIE WELLS in the backfield with him. Miller had nothing compared to that.The upside is that Pryor had somebody to throw the rock to, Miller gets his first look a legit receiver for the first time tomorrow.
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Big Gain
Posts: 2,073
Jan 5, 2012 9:12pm
What??? Meyer said if their weren't women in the press conference he could REALLY say what he thought about Miller. Something like the most talented F***ing Freshman QB he has ever seen.Tiernan;1038468 wrote:You're wrong.
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Big Gain
Posts: 2,073
Jan 5, 2012 9:13pm
What??? Meyer said if there weren't women in the press conference he could REALLY say what he thought about Miller. Something like...... the most talented F***ing Freshman QB he has ever seen.Tiernan;1038468 wrote:You're wrong.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Jan 6, 2012 8:42am
What else is he gonna say? He knows he's saddled with the kid for 2012 and most likely 2013 unless a real top bluechipper pops up out of nowhere. Miller isn't terrible but he has an accuracy problem that probably isn't going to get a whole lot better. He will continue to miss wide open receivers especially on Up routes and Deep X routes. But his other QB skills will improve and that will make him a servicable QB until Meyer finds a better one.
xKoToVxSyNdRoMe
Posts: 1,054
Jan 6, 2012 8:54am
You're wrong.Tiernan;1040883 wrote:What else is he gonna say? He knows he's saddled with the kid for 2012 and most likely 2013 unless a real top bluechipper pops up out of nowhere. Miller isn't terrible but he has an accuracy problem that probably isn't going to get a whole lot better. He will continue to miss wide open receivers especially on Up routes and Deep X routes. But his other QB skills will improve and that will make him a servicable QB until Meyer finds a better one.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jan 6, 2012 9:55am
Tiernan;1040883 wrote:What else is he gonna say? He knows he's saddled with the kid for 2012 and most likely 2013 unless a real top bluechipper pops up out of nowhere. Miller isn't terrible but he has an accuracy problem that probably isn't going to get a whole lot better. He will continue to miss wide open receivers especially on Up routes and Deep X routes. But his other QB skills will improve and that will make him a servicable QB until Meyer finds a better one.
I'm with you on this. IMO, Miller will flourish in Meyer's system and under his tutelage, and will bring back memories of Troy Smith at his finest.xKoToVxSyNdRoMe;1040889 wrote:You're wrong.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jan 6, 2012 10:45am
Andrew LuckTiernan;1038258 wrote: Accuracy rarely improves in QBs from the time they leave HS
Fr: 56.3%
So: 70.7%
Jr: 71.3%
Robert Griffin
Fr: 59.9%
So: 65.2%
Jr: 67%
Sr: 72.4%
Those are just two examples from just this year. If I wanted to make you look even more wrong I'd spend more time doing so. I guess what I'm trying to say is, you're completely wrong.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jan 6, 2012 10:51am
lol. I'm waiting for a response.lhslep134;1041003 wrote:Andrew Luck
Fr: 56.3%
So: 70.7%
Jr: 71.3%
Robert Griffin
Fr: 59.9%
So: 65.2%
Jr: 67%
Sr: 72.4%
Those are just two examples from just this year. If I wanted to make you look even more wrong I'd spend more time doing so. I guess what I'm trying to say is, you're completely wrong.
I think people are also quick to forget that Miller was thrown into a total shitstorm. All the mistakes he made and lumps he took were expected. I thought he handled himself well he obviously showed flashes of brilliance. His humble attitude and how he carries himself is refreshing when compared to the dumbfuck before him.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Jan 6, 2012 1:48pm
The total completion numbers will improve because a QBs overall "QB skills" improve which I indicated in my first post (#31) but guys who have trouble being accurate on certain types of throws rarely improve considerably much on those same throws as they mature. Coaches who have been around the game understand what I'm talking about, its harder for your "regular" fan to grasp these intricacies.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jan 6, 2012 3:17pm
Well damn, I guess I need your vast knowledge to understand these "intricacies."
I could be mistaken, but wasn't Pryor terrible at the short outs at first and improved each year?
I think you're jumping the gun on Miller.
I could be mistaken, but wasn't Pryor terrible at the short outs at first and improved each year?
I think you're jumping the gun on Miller.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jan 6, 2012 3:21pm
Scary thing is Pryor basically made all the improvements on his own. Imagine if he had a QB coachAutomatik;1041282 wrote:Well damn, I guess I need your vast knowledge to understand these "intricacies."
I could be mistaken, but wasn't Pryor terrible at the short outs at first and improved each year?
I think you're jumping the gun on Miller.
Scarlet_Buckeye
Posts: 5,264
Jan 6, 2012 3:40pm
I agree with this. If you go back in time (and believe me, I realize that's hard to do), I would argue that Miller is a better passer NOW than Pryor was when he LEFT. And it's not even close how much better of a passer Miller is NOW than Pryor was when he was a FR. In the end, I think Miller will be okay. I think he played about as on par as you should expect from a true FR QB. Maybe even slightly better.WebFire;1037174 wrote:I think Miller will end up being better than TP.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Jan 6, 2012 4:28pm
I would listen to your argument. Pryor is an idiot, but that doesn't erase everything he did at OSU and how much he improved.Scarlet_Buckeye;1041309 wrote:I would argue that Miller is a better passer NOW than Pryor was when he LEFT.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jan 6, 2012 5:39pm
He did, his name was Jim Tressel.LJ;1041287 wrote:Scary thing is Pryor basically made all the improvements on his own. Imagine if he had a QB coach
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jan 6, 2012 5:40pm
FIFY because that's your argument. And it's terrible.Tiernan;1041186 wrote:Completion percentage has nothing to do with accuracy
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jan 6, 2012 6:01pm
lhslep134;1041411 wrote:He did, his name was Jim Tressel.
Dont think so. If Tress had been the main man coaching QBs, Daniels would have never been on staff. While I agree that Tress most likely did some QB work with Pryor, having a solid full time QB coach is pretty important. Sis handled most of the QB development, hence the shit he got from, you know, everyone.
People keep wanting to think that Meyer is going to work some magic with Miller, but seem to overlook the fact that Mullen was Meyer's QB coach almost his whole coaching tenure. I will say that Herman is a huge upgrade from Sis though.
xKoToVxSyNdRoMe
Posts: 1,054
Jan 6, 2012 6:18pm
Tiernan;1041186 wrote: Coaches who have been around the game understand what I'm talking about, its harder for your "regular" fan to grasp these intricacies.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Jan 6, 2012 6:48pm
Jim Tressel coaching up TP is much more likely than him "basically learning on his own".LJ;1041415 wrote:Dont think so
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jan 6, 2012 6:54pm
OK .lhslep134;1041429 wrote:Jim Tressel coaching up TP is much more likely than him "basically learning on his own".