Red Rider Nation;1279655 wrote:You are right. There are few guys who coach this game that I have more respect for then Kevin Maltarich. I have a mutual friend with him and we got to hang out 2 years ago at the state championships and I sure wont take any credit but while sitting and having some wings and beverages I asked him if West Holmes came knocking on his door from madison if he would consider it. He said he would be surprised if they came knocking and boom it happened! What a great kid. I say kid because he is my age hahaha! After all he is actually the one that put Norwayne on the map again and Joe Harbor made them even better. It is great to see what a really good coach does with a program. After talking with him that day I know he has a ton of respect for Orrville and if the game did get out of hand he certainly would not run the score up. I am one Orrville fan that will keep watching football in Week 11 and I will follow West Holmes as far as they go. You have a great program there and great to see!

Riderfan;1280405 wrote:Is this working for Orrville? Numbers are down and losses are up for the Jr High and High School teams. Is it too much to soon? Or, could it be that soccer is taking some talented kids away from football. What does everyone think?

Riderfan;1280405 wrote:Is this working for Orrville? Numbers are down and losses are up for the Jr High and High School teams. Is it too much to soon? Or, could it be that soccer is taking some talented kids away from football. What does everyone think?

RedRider1;1280415 wrote:No offense to soccer, but I don't see any kids on that team that should be playing football.

It's just cyclical...but we've never been a dominant program in the middle schools..but we seem to get 6-7 kids from each grade that once they combine at the HS level they make an impact.

Not sure what "too much too soon" means. We've had some good years lately. Regional final or deeper 3 times since 2006 is a good run.

Back in the 80's & 90's Orrville had a lot of factory type jobs that no longer exist. Maybe those moms & dads raised a different kind of kid compared to today. Grittier, nastier, tougher. Orrville used to be a town that was blue collar (work hard, play hard). Not sure we're that anymore. Our big employers are made up of people who are choosing to put down roots in other towns and put their kids in those schools.

Times are different today too. Little Billy has to get a trophy win or lose. We don't keep score..don't want to hurt feelings. Maybe losing something & not getting that trophy motivated a kid to be better & develops character.

Look at that 2009 team that went to the regional finals for example. Hoobler, Besancon, Sam Miller, Corbett..all gamers with a little nasty in them too. Brings out that swagger.

Those same 4 helped the basketball team to the state finals later that winter/spring...playing the same way...nasty & tough.

You don't necessarily need that on a team to be successful, but it never hurt.

RedRider1;1280415 wrote:
Back in the 80's & 90's Orrville had a lot of factory type jobs that no longer exist. Maybe those moms & dads raised a different kind of kid compared to today. Grittier, nastier, tougher. Orrville used to be a town that was blue collar (work hard, play hard). Not sure we're that anymore. Our big employers are made up of people who are choosing to put down roots in other towns and put their kids in those schools.

RedRider1;1280415 wrote:No offense to soccer, but I don't see any kids on that team that should be playing football.

It's just cyclical...but we've never been a dominant program in the middle schools..but we seem to get 6-7 kids from each grade that once they combine at the HS level they make an impact.

Not sure what "too much too soon" means. We've had some good years lately. Regional final or deeper 3 times since 2006 is a good run.

Back in the 80's & 90's Orrville had a lot of factory type jobs that no longer exist. Maybe those moms & dads raised a different kind of kid compared to today. Grittier, nastier, tougher. Orrville used to be a town that was blue collar (work hard, play hard). Not sure we're that anymore. Our big employers are made up of people who are choosing to put down roots in other towns and put their kids in those schools.

Times are different today too. Little Billy has to get a trophy win or lose. We don't keep score..don't want to hurt feelings. Maybe losing something & not getting that trophy motivated a kid to be better & develops character.

Look at that 2009 team that went to the regional finals for example. Hoobler, Besancon, Sam Miller, Corbett..all gamers with a little nasty in them too. Brings out that swagger.

Those same 4 helped the basketball team to the state finals later that winter/spring...playing the same way...nasty & tough.

You don't necessarily need that on a team to be successful, but it never hurt.

Old Rider;1280460 wrote:Wow RR1...that echoes the same coversation that I had with a co-worker

Very well said!

RedRider1;1280475 wrote:Riderfan,
Got it. I kind of like the tackle program...I know some are 100% against it...but I think the sooner you can teach technique & get kids used to contact, the better...as long as the correct technique is being taught.

RedRider1;1280475 wrote:Riderfan,
Got it. I kind of like the tackle program...I know some are 100% against it...but I think the sooner you can teach technique & get kids used to contact, the better...as long as the correct technique is being taught.

Red Rider Nation;1280486 wrote:I just hope we come out with a different offensive gameplan this Friday. Some razzle dazzle and some trick plays or something. I just want to see something different! Is that asking too much? Who cares if we lose lets go down with a fight!

99bobcatdb;1280520 wrote:A bad team running trick plays and razzle dazzle is like putting a bow tie on a piece of poo........ Make look a little better but still poo

jaco;1280615 wrote:Sadly enough, football numbers are down everywhere. It's not just an Orrville thing. I've never seen so many schools not even fielding freshman squads.
Norwayne is probably the only program that's growing, but that's because they're winning. A few losses and they'll backslide to reality.

AllAmerican21;1280648 wrote:I don't understand how this all goes back go the youth program. That norwayne team that just won the state title? First group to go through their program from start to finish. I agree with redrider1, sooner the better

jaco;1280615 wrote:Sadly enough, football numbers are down everywhere. It's not just an Orrville thing. I've never seen so many schools not even fielding freshman squads.
Norwayne is probably the only program that's growing, but that's because they're winning. A few losses and they'll backslide to reality.

Troll King;1280669 wrote:maybe Norwayne is growing because they have a really good coaching staff as well. Kids want to play for the guy. Who knows with the staff they have we may be looking at the next small school power in Ohio for many years to come. Although it will take great coaching for that to happen because I don't see them having great talent year after year. That is an area that Orrville has been blessed in for a long time.