Do any remain? Prove it..

No, none remain. Because major college football is all about money. With that comes greed, power and corruption. There is the way it should be and there is the way it is and unfortunately for major college football.....that is just the way it is.

bonelizzard;968203 wrote:Do any remain? Prove it..

Have you stopped beating your wife?

It seems that the programs that can hide or cover up the best without getting caught will be successful. It's just a matter of time before all the cheaters get caught.

bonelizzard;968203 wrote:Do any remain? Prove it..

Is every major program dirty? Prove it.

What is your definition of clean?
What is your definition of major football programs?

If it is a team in an AQ BCS program would it be Northwestern, Vanderbilt or Duke? IIRC Stanford has had a few issues. The service academies would be someone elese to consider but they are not in a AQ conference as of this time.

By the NCAA's rule book, no. I still say Ohio State is one of the cleanest programs in the country, which is part of the reason it makes such a big story when a clean program does something "dirty".

I suppose it all depends on the definition of "clean".

Little Danny;968269 wrote:What is your definition of clean?
What is your definition of major football programs?

If it is a team in an AQ BCS program would it be Northwestern, Vanderbilt or Duke? IIRC Stanford has had a few issues. The service academies would be someone elese to consider but they are not in a AQ conference as of this time.

Agreed. Does Northwestern count as a "major" program? If so, they're clean. But they're only a middling B10 team, so I'm not sure they count as major.

fan_from_texas;969582 wrote:Agreed. Does Northwestern count as a "major" program? If so, they're clean. But they're only a middling B10 team, so I'm not sure they count as major.

I gotta ask you, who did you root for today? Rice or Northwestern?

sleeper;969598 wrote:I gotta ask you, who did you root for today? Rice or Northwestern?

Northwestern, though I would've been happy either way. NU is fighting to be bowl-eligible, so they have more on the line.

Duke had a kid bring a gun on campus two years ago. He was a local from Durham hillside. Needless to say he was kicked off the team. Even the blue devils aren't clean.

One bad apple doesn't ruin an orchard.

No, and you are naive if you believe other wise.

robj55;969758 wrote:No, and you are naive if you believe other wise.

You're probably right, I just want to believe that there are clean programs that still exist teaching character, values and hard work. If there are no clean programs, all football coaches are hypocrites. Yes, I believe Northwestern is a "major" program. Does Northwestern have any skeletons in the closet that I don't know about?

reclegend22;969745 wrote:One bad apple doesn't ruin an orchard.

http://www.truthaboutduke.com/duhon_nola.php


Makes you wonder why some things are "investigated" by the NCAA and some things are not.

This shouldn't have to require a response given the historical accuracy we've seen in years passed from truthaboutduke. Here you go anyway.

By Gregg Doyel
The Charlotte Observer (Charlotte, N.C.)
DURHAM, N.C. -- There's a kid eating nachos with the Cameron Crazies, an Urkel-looking kid with big glasses and a small body. Out on the court, Duke sophomore guard Chris Duhon hits a three-pointer against Wake Forest, and the Crazies start chanting: "Du-du-du, Du-HON!"


One of the Crazies, his face painted royal blue, leans over to the Urkel-looking kid in the front row and playfully chants: "You-you-you, You-HON!"

It's Duhon's 10-year-old brother, Thomas.

Across the court, behind the Duke bench, Vivian Harper is beaming. A few minutes later she tenses as Thomas is body-surfed upward by the Crazies, who push him 25 rows up before bringing him down. When Thomas is back on his feet, eating nachos, Vivian Harper relaxes.

"I get a little nervous, but I love it and Thomas loves it," Harper says. "Chris loves it, too. That's why we came."

A lot of them came. Harper moved from Slidell, La., to Durham. Carlos Boozer's parents also moved here, all the way from Juneau, Alaska, and the parents of Jason Williams and Dahntay Jones might as well have. The mamas and poppas will reconvene at Cameron Indoor Stadium again today for Duke's last home game against North Carolina -- the final home game for NBA-bound juniors Boozer and Williams.

The kids will be grateful.

"It's the time of my life," Chris Duhon says. "I'm thrilled they're here to share it with me."

Indeed, for Duke, signing Duhon was a package deal. Also included: Vivian and Thomas.

"Right after Chris signed with Duke," Harper said, "he said, 'Mama, I can't do this without you. I want you to come all the way.' When he said that, I said, 'OK."'

About that time, Boozer -- then a Duke freshman -- said something similar to his parents in Juneau. They said OK, too. The Boozers were double-teamed, asked to move not only by Carlos, but also by their oldest daughter, Natasha, a singer at Westminster Choir College in Princeton, N.J.

"If they wanted us there," Renee Boozer says, "we wanted to be there."

They sit behind the bench, some nights the parents of the entire starting five: Boozer, Duhon, Williams, Jones and junior forward Mike Dunleavy.

"We won't miss a game," says Dahntay Jones' mother, Joanne. "We're spending all our vacation time, all our vacation money, but it's worth it. He's our only child."

Weekday games are tough, but Joanne and Larry Jones have a routine. They go from work to the Newark, N.J., airport, and fly to Durham in time for tip-off. The next day they catch a 6 a.m. flight back to Newark, then go in style to their offices at Johnson & Johnson.

"We take a limousine," Joanne says. "It's cheaper than parking at the airport for $50 a day."

Williams' mom, Althea, comes to almost every game and is an active voice on Duke-oriented Internet message boards. Dunleavy's dad, ex-NBA coach Mike Dunleavy, has been coming to more and more games as the season progresses. A sign that this could be the younger Dunleavy's final year at Duke? Nobody is saying.

Duke has made sure the parents understand NCAA rules about illegal gifts extend to a player's family.

"Chris Duhon's mother was very careful -- she used to call all the time," says Duke senior associate athletics director Chris Kennedy, who oversees compliance. "What could we do for her, finding her a place to live? I called the conference office, to find where to draw the line, and they said, 'Xerox a Realtor's page from the Yellow Pages and send it to her -- that's all.' She was very concerned about following every rule."

When Harper's Internet-surfing in Louisiana led to an offer as an account manager for a local investment firm, she called Duke before she accepted.

"She wanted to know if it was OK to take the job," Kennedy says. "We asked: 'How did you find it? Are you qualified? Will you be paid the same?' Everything was fine."

Renee Boozer, who works for the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Forest Service, transferred from Juneau to the Triangle. Carlos Sr., a computer programmer in Alaska, found an administrative position with a Triangle research company.

"I love computers, but I'm just a paper-pusher now," he says. "Hey, it's a good job, and I'm close to my son. I've got no complaints."

The NCAA is a corrupt organization to begin with as we are denied true playoff system in lieu of corporate bowls lining the pockets of the NCAA members. nobody has the testostorone to debate this fact from the schools themselves to the talking heads on ESPN.
The bigger the money the bigger the corruption and college sports have eclipsed college academics. Tressel fell victim to the pressures and lured by huge paychecks of ill gotten practices over integrity.
The late great Woody Hayes once quoted he will never take a pay greater than the schools president over ethics. Rest In Peace Woody!

fan_from_texas;969697 wrote:Northwestern, though I would've been happy either way. NU is fighting to be bowl-eligible, so they have more on the line.

B1G SECURE. Nice!

Truth About Duke is laughable. You might as well have posted a link to a credible story on The Onion.

We Are ... Duke. Deal with it.

Notre Dame.

No one can prove either side.

I voted

sleeper;969111 wrote:By the NCAA's rule book, no. I still say Ohio State is one of the cleanest programs in the country, which is part of the reason it makes such a big story when a clean program does something "dirty".

hmmm...................so why is it a story when Miami does something "dirty"?

ahhh......................by your logic Miami must be one of the cleanest programs in the country so it's a big story when they do something dirty.:rolleyes:

If they are dirty and everybody already knows it then it shouldn't be a story.
They haven't been good in years so that angle is out.