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Footwedge

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Nov 10, 2011 7:14 AM
Seems like nobody wants to talk about him.
Nov 10, 2011 7:14am
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Nov 10, 2011 7:25 AM
he doesn't deserve the ink
Nov 10, 2011 7:25am
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purple_rein

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Nov 10, 2011 7:26 AM
Yes. It has been all Paterno. Unfortunately, it happens all too often in these situations that no one wants to face the monster. No one wants to believe that a human could do those acts to a child. That's why Paterno is currently out of a job. He couldn't handle the truth and chose not to take proper action. Now, the public has deflected the blame to him because he is the most high profile person involved and is more controversial. It is amazing how much is fueled by the media. There is no controversy surrounding Sandusky. No one is going to argue that what he allegedly did was right. Therefore, he is not the juicy story for the media. The 6 people who knew about it are the juicy story at this point. Notice, there has not been much talk about the victims either.
Nov 10, 2011 7:26am
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Nov 10, 2011 7:36 AM
Paterno is the focus now because he is Penn State University. Sandusky's time will come, and IMO, the victims should be allowed anonymity until they feel comfortable taking their story public. Unfortunately, purple rein, you are correct--sensationalism sells, and the media will fuel this until they find another "juicy" story.

God bless the victims and their families.
Nov 10, 2011 7:36am
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Gblock

Nov 10, 2011 7:48 AM
i feel bad for joe pa..he did inform the guy who was in charge of campus police, its not like he didnt tell anyone. what about the parents? i mean im not letting my son hang out, stay over night with a 60 something year old man. and why has it taken so long for this to come out?
Nov 10, 2011 7:48am
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Tiernan

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Nov 10, 2011 8:29 AM
Gblock...the parents weren't "letting their kids hang out with a sixty yr old man" they were At Risk Kids (underprivledged, sometimes mentally and physically challenged) participating in a sports camp setting. This monster had created his own pipeline of fresh victims coming to him year after year. And he could pick and choose which kids posed the least threat of exposing him. JoePa, The AD, McQueary, Univ Pres all are on record as having known Sandusky had committed a minimum of two acts of child sodomy. Sandusky was the Devil but the rest are just as vile (possibly more so...because they allowed it to continue) may they all burn in Hell.
Nov 10, 2011 8:29am
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alwaysawarrior

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Nov 10, 2011 8:33 AM
Gblock;966168 wrote:i feel bad for joe pa..he did inform the guy who was in charge of campus police, its not like he didnt tell anyone. what about the parents? i mean im not letting my son hang out, stay over night with a 60 something year old man. and why has it taken so long for this to come out?
This quote shows how uninformed you are. Sandusky was smart enough to pick kids who were "at risk".
As for the topic at hand. Nobody is talking about Sandusky because everyone basically agrees on him. Not everyone agrees on the issues with Paterno because there is people stupid enough to defend his actions.
Nov 10, 2011 8:33am
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bigkahuna

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Nov 10, 2011 8:44 AM
alwaysawarrior;966210 wrote:This quote shows how uninformed you are. Sandusky was smart enough to pick kids who were "at risk".
As for the topic at hand. Nobody is talking about Sandusky because everyone basically agrees on him. Not everyone agrees on the issues with Paterno because there is people stupid enough to defend his actions.
I'm going to agree with gblock to an extent. Parents had statements in the GJ and there were documented accounts of them knowingly allowing things like that. Also, there were documents accounts of school officials allowing Sandusky to have private "meetings" with some students. There are 10s of people who could have done something/ more, but to point the finger at ONE man, who actually did what he was legally obligated to do is unfair.
Nov 10, 2011 8:44am
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Nov 10, 2011 8:50 AM
The bigger they are, the harder they fall, and NOBODY in this mess was bigger than JoePa...just sayin'
Nov 10, 2011 8:50am
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Red Right 21

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Nov 10, 2011 8:52 AM
bigkahuna;966224 wrote:I'm going to agree with gblock to an extent. Parents had statements in the GJ and there were documented accounts of them knowingly allowing things like that. Also, there were documents accounts of school officials allowing Sandusky to have private "meetings" with some students. There are 10s of people who could have done something/ more, but to point the finger at ONE man, who actually did what he was legally obligated to do is unfair.
He did what he legally had to do,no question. Why didn't he ever follow up on it and see what had been done! He bailed on the morallity side of things and thats what got him!
Nov 10, 2011 8:52am
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Dr Winston O'Boogie

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Nov 10, 2011 9:07 AM
I think Sandusky's not being talked about because there's no debating that he's a monster. What else is there to say about him. Paterno's role can be debated. Not Sandusky's.
Nov 10, 2011 9:07am
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bigkahuna

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Nov 10, 2011 9:14 AM
Red Right 21;966235 wrote:He did what he legally had to do,no question. Why didn't he ever follow up on it and see what had been done! He bailed on the morallity side of things and thats what got him!
I'm holding judgement on that until we know for sure what happened. What did the AD/VP say to him that They did? Sandusky was banned from being around minors on campus. If you see that type of ban, would you not AT THAT EXACT MOMENT think "They must have taken care of it because this is the action they took."? Until I know what happened as far as this part of the situation, I'll hold off on moral judgement. In the GJ report, he said that Sandusky was banned from bringing minors onto campus, but that there was no way to enforce that.<--That is on the university as a whole. As mentioned, the people Joe Pa/ McQueary reported this to are head of University Police, but yet those people didn't follow the law and report the "complaint" within 48 hours. I'm not saying Joe shouldn't have been fired, but I'm saying the BoT should have held off on that until they had "more"/all of the facts. They even stated that they were just going off the GJ report. After reading that, I don't see grounds for firing him. McQueary, the AD, and the VP are much more responsible for not doing their part in the matter.

Like I said on another thread
McQueary- NOT removing the kid from the situation/ making sure the kid was safe. Not calling police himself but instead calling his father and then Joe Pa

AD/VP- Already facing perjury charges, so that doesn't need to be discussed. Waiting a week before documenting a statement from McQueary. Law clearly states that this needs to be taken care of and reported within 48 hours. They should have contacted McQueary/ authorities by as last as Monday. They did have the at least have enough morals to ban Sandusky from bringing minors onto campus. :rolleyes:
Nov 10, 2011 9:14am
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Nov 10, 2011 9:15 AM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;966253 wrote:I think Sandusky's not being talked about because there's no debating that he's a monster. What else is there to say about him. Paterno's role can be debated. Not Sandusky's.
Exactly, he's a monster, he's going on trial, and he'll die in prison. What else is there?
Nov 10, 2011 9:15am
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Nov 10, 2011 9:18 AM
queencitybuckeye;966257 wrote:Exactly, he's a monster, he's going on trial, he'll get ramrodded and then die in prison. What else is there?

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Nov 10, 2011 9:18am
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alwaysawarrior

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Nov 10, 2011 9:18 AM
bigkahuna;966224 wrote:I'm going to agree with gblock to an extent. Parents had statements in the GJ and there were documented accounts of them knowingly allowing things like that. Also, there were documents accounts of school officials allowing Sandusky to have private "meetings" with some students. There are 10s of people who could have done something/ more, but to point the finger at ONE man, who actually did what he was legally obligated to do is unfair.
These kids as previously stated would have been at risk kids. Also, the parents I am sure assumed everything was ok because they were dealing with a reputable charitable organization linked to a prestigious university, should they have been more diligent? Its obvious now they should have been. You also have to remember how often sexual assaults go unreported and that number skyrockets when it involves males. Sandusky knew what he was doing, and who he was picking.
If you truly believe Paterno did what he should you are crazy. To believe that Paterno did not call ALL the shots at PSU is asinine. He chose to allow this to be swept under the rug.
The one point I will agree with Paterno backers on, is why is Mcquery still with the team, and not receiving more heat?
Nov 10, 2011 9:18am
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Tiernan

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Nov 10, 2011 9:18 AM
How ridiculously stupid are the students at Pedi State University essentially rioting to support a man who supported a known child rapist? Makes you question the level of education this supposedly "Public Ivy" school is providing to these idiots doesn't it?
Nov 10, 2011 9:18am
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Nov 10, 2011 9:26 AM
I posted this on another thread, and thought it should be posted here as well

http://www.toledoblade.com/DaveHacke...ligations.html

Jerry Sandusky, the one-time Penn State assistant at the center of this horrid affair or series of affairs, turned up a few years later as a volunteer assistant football coach at Central Mountain High School near Lock Haven, Pa. He also was still heading up his nonprofit organization, The Second Mile, to help at-risk children and dealt with some local kids in that role.
Coincidentally, my youngest daughter, Beth, has been the girls' head volleyball coach at the same high school since 2005. I distinctly remember the day she called and said, "Dad, do you know Jerry Sandusky? You're not going to believe this ..."
In 2008, a Central Mountain student and his mother alleged Sandusky had some 20 sexual encounters with the boy over a multiyear period. School administrators informed children's services and local police and it went from there to the state police and Pennsylvania attorney general's office and, a couple days ago, we learned the scope of this long-term investigation and the resulting charges.
As sad as it is, the saddest thing of all is that six years earlier Penn State University had the opportunity -- and failed -- to do what Central Mountain High School did.
Nov 10, 2011 9:26am
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Nov 10, 2011 9:27 AM
alwaysawarrior;966261 wrote:These kids as previously stated would have been at risk kids. Also, the parents I am sure assumed everything was ok because they were dealing with a reputable charitable organization linked to a prestigious university, should they have been more diligent? Its obvious now they should have been. You also have to remember how often sexual assaults go unreported and that number skyrockets when it involves males. Sandusky knew what he was doing, and who he was picking.
If you truly believe Paterno did what he should you are crazy. To believe that Paterno did not call ALL the shots at PSU is asinine. He chose to allow this to be swept under the rug.
The one point I will agree with Paterno backers on, is why is Mcquery still with the team, and not receiving more heat?
Paterno calls all the shots at PSU? So did he fire himself last night? Did he grant Sandusky emeritus status at Penn state in 1999? In case your not familiar with what emeritus status and how it works and who decides here is a link:


http://guru.psu.edu/policies/OHR/hr25.html

Surely the Board of Trustees had knowledge of the kind of Monster Sandusky was since its there job to investigate and approve anyone who is up for emeritus status...right?
Nov 10, 2011 9:27am
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Gblock

Nov 10, 2011 9:52 AM
in the article i read it said he notified the head of the campus police dept...im not sure if others would do more if it was one of your close friends that you worked with for many years. im sure he was hoping it wasnt true or was a misunderstanding of some sort. im sure he probably slept well thinking i have passed the information on to the person or persons whose job it is to handle these situations. until now.
Nov 10, 2011 9:52am
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alwaysawarrior

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Nov 10, 2011 9:55 AM
Skyhook79;966274 wrote:Paterno calls all the shots at PSU? So did he fire himself last night? Did he grant Sandusky emeritus status at Penn state in 1999? In case your not familiar with what emeritus status and how it works and who decides here is a link:


http://guru.psu.edu/policies/OHR/hr25.html

Surely the Board of Trustees had knowledge of the kind of Monster Sandusky was since its there job to investigate and approve anyone who is up for emeritus status...right?
Your ignorance astounds me. You are completely right, Paterno had absolutely no power at PSU. In fact I'm sure he was never even allowed to give an opinion on his own damn program. He was always completely submissive to the figures "above" him I'm sure.

Paterno's retirement message shows how arrogant he had become in saying the board should not waste one more second in discussing his employment. That was the treatment he was used to. The BOT made a decision without JoePa for probably the first time in decades last night.

But again you are right he had no pull at all there.
Nov 10, 2011 9:55am
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Nov 10, 2011 9:56 AM
Let me get this straight-

Some of you are arguing that JoePa should be in the clear because he told the AD about what the GA informed him. What I want to know from you JoePa apologists is, don't you think it is highly problematic that Paterno was aware of at least two incidents of inappropriate behavior with children (the 1998 incident and 2002) and yet had no problem with the fact that Sandusky still had an office and access to PSU facilities up until 2008? Wouldn't you think it is odd that no law enforcement agencies ever followed up on these two matters? Wouldn't you expect to be called as a witness in either instance since you were a party who was involved in the chain of reporting the incidents?

Basically what you all are aruging is that JoePa fulfilled the minimal obligation and therefore should not have lost his job. I'm sorry, when it comes to sodomy of 10-12 year old boys, minimal obligations do not cut it.
Nov 10, 2011 9:56am
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Nov 10, 2011 10:00 AM
Red Right 21;966235 wrote:He did what he legally had to do,no question. Why didn't he ever follow up on it and see what had been done! He bailed on the morallity side of things and thats what got him!
Dr Winston O'Boogie;966253 wrote:I think Sandusky's not being talked about because there's no debating that he's a monster. What else is there to say about him. Paterno's role can be debated. Not Sandusky's.
Both of these posts sum it all up. What is there to say about Sandusky? He is going to get what he deserves in prison. The real question in all of this is how someone like JoePa, the AD and whoever else was involved could let this happen and do only the minimum to stop it?
Gblock;966324 wrote:in the article i read it said he notified the head of the campus police dept...im not sure if others would do more if it was one of your close friends that you worked with for many years. im sure he was hoping it wasnt true or was a misunderstanding of some sort. im sure he probably slept well thinking i have passed the information on to the person or persons whose job it is to handle these situations. until now.
Well if that is what someone would do and sleep well they are a moron. First, if it was my longtime friend and I find out something this serious from a reliable source (I assume McQueary was trusted since Paterno has kept him around) I notify the authorities and my superiors (if JoePa really had any), cut off all ties with the guy, ban him from using my facilities and having access to children anymore and I stay on the case and follow up with the progress. I don't just pass the buck and think to myself, "I did my part".
Nov 10, 2011 10:00am
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Nov 10, 2011 10:01 AM
Little Danny;966330 wrote:Let me get this straight-

Some of you are arguing that JoePa should be in the clear because he told the AD about what the GA informed him. What I want to know from you JoePa apologists is, don't you think it is highly problematic that Paterno was aware of at least two incidents of inappropriate behavior with children (the 1998 incident and 2002) and yet had no problem with the fact that Sandusky still had an office and access to PSU facilities up until 2008? Wouldn't you think it is odd that no law enforcement agencies ever followed up on these two matters? Wouldn't you expect to be called as a witness in either instance since you were a party who was involved in the chain of reporting the incidents?

Basically what you all are aruging is that JoePa fulfilled the minimal obligation and therefore should not have lost his job. I'm sorry, when it comes to sodomy of 10-12 year old boys, minimal obligations do not cut it.
Exactly! Seems as if a lot of people on this board have no balls. They would just do the minimum to try and protect children that can't protect themselves.
Nov 10, 2011 10:01am
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Nov 10, 2011 10:03 AM
Little Danny;966330 wrote:Let me get this straight-

Some of you are arguing that JoePa should be in the clear because he told the AD about what the GA informed him. What I want to know from you JoePa apologists is, don't you think it is highly problematic that Paterno was aware of at least two incidents of inappropriate behavior with children (the 1998 incident and 2002) and yet had no problem with the fact that Sandusky still had an office and access to PSU facilities up until 2008? Wouldn't you think it is odd that no law enforcement agencies ever followed up on these two matters? Wouldn't you expect to be called as a witness in either instance since you were a party who was involved in the chain of reporting the incidents?

Basically what you all are aruging is that JoePa fulfilled the minimal obligation and therefore should not have lost his job. I'm sorry, when it comes to sodomy of 10-12 year old boys, minimal obligations do not cut it.
This. However, you left out the fact that from 2002-on, Sandusky often brought young boys from the foundation to Penn State events and practices in plain view of Paterno and other coaches.
Nov 10, 2011 10:03am
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Nov 10, 2011 10:06 AM
dat dude;966342 wrote:This. However, you left out the fact that from 2002-on, Sandusky often brought young boys from the foundation to Penn State events and practices in plain view of Paterno and other coaches.
"Nothing to see here." They were cowards and looked the other way. Grown men that wouldn't stand up for innocent children. Sickening.
Nov 10, 2011 10:06am