OSH;963266 wrote:While I hate it that Shooter is jabbing at Jason Aldean..."Dirt Road Anthem" is a song from Brantley Gilbert AND Colt Ford. Brantley Gilbert is a Georgian country guy, like Aldean. I actually heard an interview from Brantley who appreciates Aldean wanting to record some of Brantley's written songs because it's an honor to a guy like Brantley.

I think Shooter's biggest problems with people are they don't write their own music and they are "mainstream." I read an interview when someone asked Shooter about Taylor Swift, while he doesn't like her "mainstream" music, he respects her because she writes her own stuff. The whole "mainstream" side makes sense, it's that same "outlaw" style that Waylon had -- the anti-mainstream. While I don't see Jason Aldean and Eric Church as sell-outs, I can see others being that.

Shooter may be trying to be the outlaw country that was around with the feud of Waylon, Willie, etc. outlaws competing against the "outlaws" of Johnny Paycheck, etc. He's upset he doesn't get radiotime just like Waylon didn't. But...he also may not care about it. He's making his music and he's got his following. He's probably happy.

The anti-mainstream thing is why I suggested Shooter was walking against traffic down the one-way street the record companies were on.

I also can can confirm that Colt Ford and Brantley are indeed friends with Aldean and that Aldeans producer asked him to record Dirt Road Anthem and that Aldean called Ford and asked his permission to record it and has his blessing.

Steel Valley Football;963705 wrote:The anti-mainstream thing is why I suggested Shooter was walking against traffic down the one-way street the record companies were on.

I also can can confirm that Colt Ford and Brantley are indeed friends with Aldean and that Aldeans producer asked him to record Dirt Road Anthem and that Aldean called Ford and asked his permission to record it and has his blessing.

Yeah, good call about the walking the wrong way. I should've multi-quoted that one. I thought it was nicely written.

To me, Aldean isn't a problem with country music. Neither is Eric Church. I could see where some may complain about Blake Shelton, but he has some good stuff. I can think of MANY others to point fingers at if I were Shooter...they are mostly female too.

OSH;963823 wrote:Yeah, good call about the walking the wrong way. I should've multi-quoted that one. I thought it was nicely written.

To me, Aldean isn't a problem with country music. Neither is Eric Church. I could see where some may complain about Blake Shelton, but he has some good stuff. I can think of MANY others to point fingers at if I were Shooter...they are mostly female too.

Its not about whether they are a problem for country music or not. Its about them portraying themselves as "outlaw" country artists when they aren't. Just some city slickers that the labels put a fake image to.

GoChiefs;963970 wrote:Its not about whether they are a problem for country music or not. Its about them portraying themselves as "outlaw" country artists when they aren't. Just some city slickers that the labels put a fake image to.

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GoChiefs;963970 wrote:Its not about whether they are a problem for country music or not. Its about them portraying themselves as "outlaw" country artists when they aren't. Just some city slickers that the labels put a fake image to.

How is Eric Church and Jason Aldean portraying themselves like "outlaw" country stars? I don't get how they are? To me, they sing about country life...and that's what they are...country. They aren't city slickers putting on an image of "country."

They definitely don't do the fake outlaw thing like Johnny Paycheck did.

OSH;964418 wrote:How is Eric Church and Jason Aldean portraying themselves like "outlaw" country stars? I don't get how they are? To me, they sing about country life...and that's what they are...country. They aren't city slickers putting on an image of "country."

They definitely don't do the fake outlaw thing like Johnny Paycheck did.

Jason Aldean went to Windsor Academy, a private school in Macon, GA. Macon being the 5th largest metro area in Georgia. Sounds like a city slicker to me.

justincredible;964555 wrote:Jason Aldean went to Windsor Academy, a private school in Macon, GA. Macon being the 5th largest metro area in Georgia. Sounds like a city slicker to me.

And Shooter Jennings went to the prestigious University School of Nashville, which is also a private K-12 school. Nashville is the largest metro area in Tennessee. So who is more of a city slicker?

Again, I don't think they portray themselves as "outlaw" country stars.

Oh I guess you didn't see the smiley face showing that I was joking?

OSH,

Why the hard on for Johnny Paycheck? I've never heard of him being called a fake outlaw musician.

justincredible;964650 wrote:Oh I guess you didn't see the smiley face showing that I was joking?

Naw. It's all good. I guess I just don't understand Shooter's dislike for Aldean and Church -- specifically. I think they have both been good for country music. I also think Shooter is good for country music.

Steel Valley Football;964688 wrote:Why the hard on for Johnny Paycheck? I've never heard of him being called a fake outlaw musician.

I like Johnny Paycheck. But, he was a "created" outlaw. He saw that there was money in it with the successes of Willie and Waylon and the boys. He didn't start as "outlaw." He wasn't the true outlaw that Willie and Waylon and the boys had started as. I mean, Paycheck's first hits were love songs like "Mr. Lovermaker," "Don't Take Her She's All I Got," "Someone to Give My Love To," "The Lovin' Machine," and "Song and Dance Man." These songs were all 5-11 years before his outlaw-"Take This Job And Shove It."

I believe that there was a big battle between two record labels, Sony with Paycheck and RCA or MCA with Waylon. I think because of this battle, there are two country music award shows the ACM (Academy of Country Music) and the CMA (Country Music Awards). I saw some documentary or read something that explained how and why they exist. A lot of it revolved around the outlaw movement and how multiple record labels were wanting to get into the genre by creating their own "outlaw."

That's the reason why when I think of fake outlaws, I reference Johnny Paycheck. But, I still like him -- even his non-outlaw stuff.

OSH;964761 wrote:I like Johnny Paycheck. But, he was a "created" outlaw. He saw that there was money in it with the successes of Willie and Waylon and the boys. He didn't start as "outlaw." He wasn't the true outlaw that Willie and Waylon and the boys had started as. I mean, Paycheck's first hits were love songs like "Mr. Lovermaker," "Don't Take Her She's All I Got," "Someone to Give My Love To," "The Lovin' Machine," and "Song and Dance Man." These songs were all 5-11 years before his outlaw-"Take This Job And Shove It."

I believe that there was a big battle between two record labels, Sony with Paycheck and RCA or MCA with Waylon. I think because of this battle, there are two country music award shows the ACM (Academy of Country Music) and the CMA (Country Music Awards). I saw some documentary or read something that explained how and why they exist. A lot of it revolved around the outlaw movement and how multiple record labels were wanting to get into the genre by creating their own "outlaw."

That's the reason why when I think of fake outlaws, I reference Johnny Paycheck. But, I still like him -- even his non-outlaw stuff.

I dont see it like that. You are forgetting Paycheck had hits before the ones you call his first. They may not have been "outlaw" but he wrote them himself which is part of what defines the term as it originated.

Then he lost everything due to partying and was saved by an Epic Records producer and helped to make the love songs, as you called them, but he was still writing his material. By the time he did Only Hell My Mama Ever Raised the term outlaw had taken on a different meaning and that's when he embraced it because his wild partying and stuff was who he always was. Much more than Willie and Waylon for sure. I never really considered Shove It an outlaw song, per se. By then tho, outlaw meant how you acted in public.

You wanna talk about a fake. David Allan Coe is/was a fake made up outlaw personification in terms of his roots and association w Willie and Waylon, Johnny Cash, Johnny Rodriguez, etc. He made all that shit up in his head.

OSH;964418 wrote:How is Eric Church and Jason Aldean portraying themselves like "outlaw" country stars? I don't get how they are? To me, they sing about country life...and that's what they are...country. They aren't city slickers putting on an image of "country."

They definitely don't do the fake outlaw thing like Johnny Paycheck did.

Eric Church for example...here's a video he put out when nominated for Top New Artist. Putting himself in the same light as the Cashs, Willies, and Waylons...I don't think so.

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He's just a "throwback to the old way of doing things?" Please.

Another video for Eric Church...

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Justin Moore? Well, what's the title of his album? Outlawz like me?

Fact is..that's what they are calling guys such as Jamey Johnson, Eric Church, Jason Aldean, Justin Moore, Luke Bryan, etc. The "New Outlaws" of country music.

I'm pretty sure Shooter and Jamey Johnson are friends. They've done a CMT Crossroads together. Johnson writes most of his music.

justincredible;965515 wrote:I'm pretty sure Shooter and Jamey Johnson are friends. They've done a CMT Crossroads together. Johnson writes most of his music.

Right, they did. Which was fantastic by the way, and he's probably the closest to the old outlaws.

When I say thats what "they" call them...I'm referring to the record labels and music industry, just to clarify.

GoChiefs;965504 wrote:Eric Church for example...here's a video he put out when nominated for Top New Artist. Putting himself in the same light as the Cashs, Willies, and Waylons...I don't think so.

He's just a "throwback to the old way of doing things?" Please.

Justin Moore? Well, what's the title of his album? Outlawz like me?

Fact is..that's what they are calling guys such as Jamey Johnson, Eric Church, Jason Aldean, Justin Moore, Luke Bryan, etc. The "New Outlaws" of country music.

Firstly, that first video isn't put out by Eric Church, it's put out by "nashvillefan." There's a big difference than Eric Church putting a video out and then "nashvillefan" putting out a video that gets a whopping 499 views!

Secondly, Justin Moore's album isn't "Outlawz like me." It's entitled "Outlaws Like Me." Big difference with the "z" and "s" endings. Coming from a guy from Poyen, Arkansas...population 272.

Thirdly, Eric Church and Justin Moore write their songs. Maybe not all of them (Justin Moore), but they both write a lot of their music. So, that is a big step up from other artists.

justincredible;965515 wrote:I'm pretty sure Shooter and Jamey Johnson are friends. They've done a CMT Crossroads together. Johnson writes most of his music.

Not related to Shooter, but I did get to see Justin Moore open for Jamey Johnson in 2009. Great show! They both were awesome! And the best part was it was free.

OSH;965799 wrote:Firstly, that first video isn't put out by Eric Church, it's put out by "nashvillefan." There's a big difference than Eric Church putting a video out and then "nashvillefan" putting out a video that gets a whopping 499 views!

Secondly, Justin Moore's album isn't "Outlawz like me." It's entitled "Outlaws Like Me." Big difference with the "z" and "s" endings. Coming from a guy from Poyen, Arkansas...population 272.

Thirdly, Eric Church and Justin Moore write their songs. Maybe not all of them (Justin Moore), but they both write a lot of their music. So, that is a big step up from other artists.

That was actually a video that was put out by the record label. They did one for all the artists that were nominated that year.

What makes the difference if its a z or an s? He's proclaiming to be an "outlaw" either way. Which is entirely my point.

Its not even about whether or not they wrote their songs. The true outlaws didn't write all their own stuff. Its about the fake ass image the record labels put on them to sell their records.

I'm not sure why you're debating it? I'm not the one that said "hey look...those guys must be outlaw country". Thats what the industry is calling them just to sell more records.

Thats what Shooters song is about. He's simply calling them out for it.

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