Zoltan;964486 wrote:They fired Tressel, so I think it would be pretty easy to just not retain Luke. The bottom line is Urban Meyer, maybe the best CFB coach alive is available. I think he is the next coach, regardless of what Luke does this year.

Surely you're not comparing the circumstances surrounding Tressels departure to the circumstances that would surround Fickell if he were to win out this year?

I just don't get how anyone can give Fickell credit for what the team is doing. They are doing it in spite of Fickell. Talent is winning these games, not coaching. If they were well-coached they could POSSIBLY be undefeated. All 3 losses were winnable games, but coaching lost those 3 games with bad playcalling, wrong personnel in the game and lack of ability to make adjustments.

People who believe Fickell is leading this team to victory don't know much about football.

sleeper;963969 wrote:Because WGH has historically been known as a corrupt program. It's one of the worst high schools in the country, and if I'd of went there for high school, I'd probably be unemployed/web developer.

My bad. I thought you were having a serious conversation and not just trolling. All three of your posts were purposeful garbage. Thx for wasting my time.

Steel Valley Football;964745 wrote:My bad. I thought you were having a serious conversation and not just trolling. All three of your posts were purposeful garbage. Thx for wasting my time.

I think you took my posts in an offensive manner whereas I was merely venting frustration over losing Clarett so early in his career. I wasn't attacking WGH until I figured out you were trying to make it seem like I was.

Either way, I win, I always win.

dwccrew;964624 wrote:I just don't get how anyone can give Fickell credit for what the team is doing. They are doing it in spite of Fickell. Talent is winning these games, not coaching. If they were well-coached they could POSSIBLY be undefeated. All 3 losses were winnable games, but coaching lost those 3 games with bad playcalling, wrong personnel in the game and lack of ability to make adjustments.

People who believe Fickell is leading this team to victory don't know much about football.

I think Rich Rod showed that just showing up doesn't get you wins in the B1G. I'm sure there have been mistakes made, but you have to give Fickell some credit.

sleeper;964848 wrote:I think you took my posts in an offensive manner whereas I was merely venting frustration over losing Clarett so early in his career. I wasn't attacking WGH until I figured out you were trying to make it seem like I was.

Either way, I win, I always win.

You must mean when I simply pointed out your faulty logic and you took it as me trying to make it look like you were attacking WGH.

Either way, I think I get now why people post about you like they do.

Steel Valley Football;964871 wrote:You must mean when I simply pointed out your faulty logic and you took it as me trying to make it look like you were attacking WGH.

Either way, I think I get now why people post about you like they do.

It does not matter to me how people perceive me. Haters gon' hate, book it.

I just don't get how anyone can give Fickell credit for what the team is doing. They are doing it in spite of Fickell.

I think IF he wins out he should get a lot of credit. It's not like he's had his playmakers all year...and sorting thru the QB situation and arriving at Miller in time for opening game is not a no- brainer decision. Who knows what the freshman showed early on? We still don't have a passing game that approaches what Pryor could do, but the team is winning and getting better every week. If that continues and he wins out, he gets an A+ in my book, and it becomes Urban who?

sleeper;964880 wrote:It does not matter to me how people perceive me. Haters gon' hate, book it.

Your view of yourself or otherwise incredulous denial is irrelevant.

Luke Fickell is not a good coach for one reason.... Playing Joe Bauserman

FatHobbit;964864 wrote:I think Rich Rod showed that just showing up doesn't get you wins in the B1G. I'm sure there have been mistakes made, but you have to give Fickell some credit.

Not defending Rich Rod at all, but he didn't have near the talent Ohio State has. OSU's defense is one of the best in the nation.

dwccrew;966081 wrote:Not defending Rich Rod at all, but he didn't have near the talent Ohio State has.

Obviously we'll never know, but I have no doubt that UM would have been significantly better that year if Llllloyd had still been the coach.

dwccrew;966081 wrote:OSU's defense is one of the best in the nation.

Don't you think Fickell might deserve some credit for them being one of the best defenses?

They have a loooooong way to go yet, but if we play in the B1G championship game that will be quite a accomplishment with all the adversity this team has faced IMHO.

FatHobbit;966252 wrote:Obviously we'll never know, but I have no doubt that UM would have been significantly better that year if Llllloyd had still been the coach.



Don't you think Fickell might deserve some credit for them being one of the best defenses?

They have a loooooong way to go yet, but if we play in the B1G championship game that will be quite a accomplishment with all the adversity this team has faced IMHO.

I can give him partial credit, but this defense was loaded from last season into this season. He inherited a great defense, he didn't build it. Unfortunately for Fickell, he was never given a chance to prove himself a good HC before getting the OSU job and to retain the OSU job, you have to have a HC resume. He doesn't, which is why I think he is gone after the season no matter what. I think they elevated him to HC because they knew it'd be easy to get rid of him if they chose to do so.

dwccrew;966474 wrote:I can give him partial credit, but this defense was loaded from last season into this season. He inherited a great defense, he didn't build it.

He didn't build the defense as the assistant DC and head defensive recruiter?

LJ;966490 wrote:He didn't build the defense as the assistant DC and head defensive recruiter?

This is why I gave him PARTIAL credit. ASSISTANT defensive coordinator. Did I say the guy was a total screwup? I just don't think he can be head coach at a school like Ohio State yet. He has no offensive strategies and looks like a deer in headlights when the team faces adversity. He has won on talent alone. Let's just look at his resume so far:

Akron: I could have coached the team to a win there

Toledo: Damn near, and probably should have, lost to a MAC team

Miami (FL): Lost to a team that was inferior (talent wise) Offense was an embarassment, left TO's on the board, pathetic display of coaching

Colorado: They are garbage

MSU: Again, another pathetic offensive performance. Defense did play lights out though, so I give him some credit for that. But no adjustments were made on offense even after MSU had figured out the snap count.

Nebraska: Total coaching meltdown, not just by Fickell. How do you blow that lead late in the 3rd quarter when you have been controlling the game?

Illinois: Another outstanding defensive performance which I'll give Fickell credit for, but 1 of 4 all day passing? Throw a screen or slant or something.

Wisky: All around a great performance, but the win I give credit to Braxton Miller for finding the receiver before I give the win to Fickell.

Indiana: Luckily it was Indiana, otherwise OSU gets embarrassed. Every facet of this game was shit.

Am I being critical of Fickell? Yes. But I just don't see him being ready for this job yet.

I don't disagree with all you have written, but you can't downgrade the victories and maximize the defeats.

Also, the season isn't over, and what I and others are saying is that if he can continue to win...which means he has to win BIG games...then he desrves the job. That if still a big IF. Beating PSU, Michigan and winning a B1G championship would be huge. Winning a bowl game would be huge. How do you not give him the job?...especially given the extraordinary adversity he had/has to deal with. Personally, I think just getting to the Championship game (Which still means beating Purdue, PSU and Michigan) and winning a bowl game would be enough.

HitsRus;967008 wrote:I don't disagree with all you have written, but you can't downgrade the victories and maximize the defeats.

Also, the season isn't over, and what I and others are saying is that if he can continue to win...which means he has to win BIG games...then he desrves the job. That if still a big IF. Beating PSU, Michigan and winning a B1G championship would be huge. Winning a bowl game would be huge. How do you not give him the job?...especially given the extraordinary adversity he had/has to deal with. Personally, I think just getting to the Championship game (Which still means beating Purdue, PSU and Michigan) and winning a bowl game would be enough.

What you say, for the most part, is true. I don't really think I have downgraded the victories, I'm downplaying how much Fickell had to do with those victories.

I think he is a heck of a DC. I don't care much for him as a HC though.

I'd also like to add, and I think most would agree, that this is a very down year in the B1G. So it makes it a little easier on a new coach to coach in his first season.

dwccrew;967107 wrote:I'd also like to add, and I think most would agree, that this is a very down year in the B1G. So it makes it a little easier on a new coach to coach in his first season.

Kirk Ferentz has coached Iowa to the same record against the same down B1G. Everyone knows he's a great coach.

FatHobbit;967644 wrote:Kirk Ferentz has coached Iowa to the same record against the same down B1G. Everyone knows he's a great coach.

LOL, probablly COY......again.

dwccrew;967897 wrote:LOL, probablly COY......again.

As he should be, duh

Kirk Ferentz has coached Iowa to the same record against the same down B1G. Everyone knows he's a great coach.

I would suggest that if he should win out and win his bowl game he should be retained too.

dwccrew;966514 wrote:This is why I gave him PARTIAL credit. ASSISTANT defensive coordinator. Did I say the guy was a total screwup? I just don't think he can be head coach at a school like Ohio State yet. He has no offensive strategies and looks like a deer in headlights when the team faces adversity. He has won on talent alone. Let's just look at his resume so far:

Akron: I could have coached the team to a win there

Toledo: Damn near, and probably should have, lost to a MAC team

Miami (FL): Lost to a team that was inferior (talent wise) Offense was an embarassment, left TO's on the board, pathetic display of coaching

Colorado: They are garbage

MSU: Again, another pathetic offensive performance. Defense did play lights out though, so I give him some credit for that. But no adjustments were made on offense even after MSU had figured out the snap count.

Nebraska: Total coaching meltdown, not just by Fickell. How do you blow that lead late in the 3rd quarter when you have been controlling the game?

Illinois: Another outstanding defensive performance which I'll give Fickell credit for, but 1 of 4 all day passing? Throw a screen or slant or something.

Wisky: All around a great performance, but the win I give credit to Braxton Miller for finding the receiver before I give the win to Fickell.

Indiana: Luckily it was Indiana, otherwise OSU gets embarrassed. Every facet of this game was ****.

Am I being critical of Fickell? Yes. But I just don't see him being ready for this job yet.

If OSU wins there next 3 games, they will be in the title game. That alone will secure the job for Fickell...even if he loses the title game and the bowl game.

Footwedge;968327 wrote:If OSU wins there next 3 games, they will be in the title game. That alone will secure the job for Fickell...even if he loses the title game and the bowl game.

derp penn state still has to lose another game in addition to OSU. The bucks control their destiny..right?

Footwedge;968327 wrote:If OSU wins there next 3 games, they will be in the title game. That alone will secure the job for Fickell...even if he loses the title game and the bowl game.

What if OSU wins their next 3 and PSU only loses to OSU? Derpy derp, you still don't get how the participants of the B1G title game work yet, do you?

dwccrew;968438 wrote:What if OSU wins their next 3 and PSU only loses to OSU? Derpy derp, you still don't get how the participants of the B1G title game work yet, do you?

Not gonna happen....you honestly think Penn State as a 21 point underdog will beat Wisconsin? LOL

You bitch about the coach ad nauseum.....yet with this shit team he could vey easily win the Big 10.