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Nov 2, 2011 3:16 PM
LJ;955139 wrote:30 years from now, what would be more impressive?

Coach Ding Dong- 2 NC's, 2 Conference championships, 3 BCS bowl wins

Coach Herp Derp- 20 Conference Championships, 15 BCS bowl wins, 3 NC's
you think thats all Urban would win in 30 years? Or you think Urban would win all that in 5 years and OSU would win nothing the other 25?
Nov 2, 2011 3:16pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:17 PM
LJ;955155 wrote:I don't give a flying **** about any other schools. We are talking about OHIO STATE
Okay then you still have a hole in your hypothetical.

You're implying that no other coaches will have any success at OSU over a 25 year period to add to the accolades Coach Ding Dong achieved (2 NCs, 2 CT, 2 BCS wins) in 5 years.

Your hypothetical, removing it's very unlikely implication, is comparing a 5 year period versus a 30 year period. Logic fail.
Nov 2, 2011 3:17pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:18 PM
lhslep134;955163 wrote:Okay then you still have a hole in your hypothetical.

You're implying that no other coaches will have any success at OSU over a 25 year period to add to the accolades Coach Ding Dong achieved (2 NCs, 2 CT, 2 BCS wins) in 5 years.

You're hypothetical, removing it's illogical implication, is comparing a 5 year period versus a 30 year period. Logic fail.
Because we are talking about having coach Ding Dong at OSU vs having coach Herp Derp at OSU.
Nov 2, 2011 3:18pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:19 PM
Pick6;955161 wrote:you think thats all Urban would win in 30 years? Or you think Urban would win all that in 5 years and OSU would win nothing the other 25?
Once again, we are talkling coach Dong at OSU vs coach Derp at OSU.
Nov 2, 2011 3:19pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:20 PM
LJ;955170 wrote:Once again, we are talkling coach Dong at OSU vs coach Derp at OSU.


But you're totally ignoring the other 25 years in the Coach Dong hypothetical. It is illogical, and you are wrong. But now you're in denial about it. This should get hilarious.
Nov 2, 2011 3:20pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:21 PM
LJ;955170 wrote:Once again, we are talkling coach Dong at OSU vs coach Derp at OSU.
I understand that. Im asking do you think thats all Urban would win coaching AT OSU for 30 years. Or do you think he would win that in 5 years, and then OSU would have some scrub coach and drop to Minnesota level of the Big 10 for the next 25 years?

basically what I'm saying, is that either way you're wrong. OSU will always be an attraction for big name coaches. If Urban had great success and left after 5 years, we would find a suitable replacement.
Nov 2, 2011 3:21pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:22 PM
lhslep134;955173 wrote:But you're totally ignoring the other 25 years in the Coach Dong hypothetical. It is illogical, and you are wrong. But now you're in denial about it. This should get hilarious.
How am I ignoring the other 25 years if coach Dong only coaches at OSU for 5 years? What don't you understand? You need me to type slower for you?
Nov 2, 2011 3:22pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:23 PM
Pick6;955176 wrote:I understand that. Im asking do you think thats all Urban would win coaching AT OSU for 30 years. Or do you think he would win that in 5 years, and then OSU would have some scrub coach and drop to Minnesota level of the Big 10 for the next 25 years?
He would coach here for 5 years. Where is this assumption that OSU would be shit. I am comparing 2 hypothetical coaches, in their hypotetical (well one of the terms would definitely be reality) terms as coach. Everything outside of the years they coach at OSU is out of the picture.
Nov 2, 2011 3:23pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:28 PM
But you're comparing a 30 year period to a 5 year period, using 15 BCS wins as a point of emphasis, yet it's something not even possible to attain in 5 years. That is illogical. Sorry dude, you're wrong.
Nov 2, 2011 3:28pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:29 PM
lhslep134;955194 wrote:But you're comparing a 30 year period to a 5 year period, using 15 BCS wins as a point of emphasis, yet it's something not even possible to attain in 5 years. That is illogical. Sorry dude, you're wrong.
WAT?!

That's the whole fucking point. Coach Dong will only stay for 5 years! Thus I feel Coach Derp is a better choice! Keep going in circles. It's funny watching you confuse yourself.
Nov 2, 2011 3:29pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:34 PM
LJ;955199 wrote:WAT?!

That's the whole ****ing point. Coach Dong will only stay for 5 years! Thus I feel Coach Derp is a better choice! Keep going in circles. It's funny watching you confuse yourself.
So what? It's OSU, we'll replace that coach with another good one. Give me the damn 2 national championships in 5 years, rather than 2 national championships in 30 years, and anything otherwise is stupid. And your hypothetical is still illogical.


You do realize that by saying you prefer 2 national championships in 30 years, you're completely precluding the possibility of winning many more in a 30 year period than just the 2 won in only 5 years by coach dong? But hey, keep preferring conference championships. :rolleyes:
Nov 2, 2011 3:34pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:35 PM
LJ;955184 wrote:He would coach here for 5 years. Where is this assumption that OSU would be shit. I am comparing 2 hypothetical coaches, in their hypotetical (well one of the terms would definitely be reality) terms as coach. Everything outside of the years they coach at OSU is out of the picture.
but you aren't comparing both sides equal.
OSU Option 1:
5 years : Urban Meyer head coach. 2 national championships, 2 conference championships, 3 BCS bowl wins.
25 years: one, or multiple coaches have say 16-17 conference champships, 2-3 nat championships, 12-13 BCS bowl wins
= 4-5 NC, 18-19 conference championship, 15-16 BCS bowl wins.

OSU Option 2:
30 years: Fickell as head coach. 3 national championship, 20 conference championships, 15 BCS wins

Ill gladly choose Option 1, seeing that the spiked level of success Urban would give us in his short stint would give us 1-2 extra NC. His replacement would give us roughly the same conference titles, and the same amount of BCS wins.

(I used your numbers to get mine)
A Fickell caliber coach can be found. An Urban caliber is a chance you just cant pass up, no matter how long he is here.
Nov 2, 2011 3:35pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:38 PM
Pick6;955207 wrote:OSU Option 2:
30 years: Fickell as head coach. 3 national championship, 20 conference championships, 15 BCS wins
How many coaches have that kind of resume? I think you're giving Fickell too much credit, and if that's what we would be getting I pick him in a heart beat.

edit - I do realize that is LJ's hypothetical and not yours. But my point is that the coach in option 2 is one hell of a coach.
Nov 2, 2011 3:38pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:39 PM
FatHobbit;955212 wrote:How many coaches have that kind of resume? I think you're giving Fickell too much credit, and if that's what we would be getting I pick him in a heart beat.
We are talking hypothetical, which is what LJ brought up.
Nov 2, 2011 3:39pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:41 PM
Pick6;955217 wrote:We are talking hypothetical, which is what LJ brought up.
I realized that as soon as I posted it. There is no guarantee that any coach, including Urban, will bring a national title to OSU. I would be very happy to consistently win B1G titles and make the national title game every now and then.
Nov 2, 2011 3:41pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:43 PM
you are missing the point its about comparing long tern success , consistancy and loyalty vs short term ncs. Not about what could happen going througj multiple coaches.

Lep isnt even worth a response.
Nov 2, 2011 3:43pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:49 PM
But when you hire a new coach you're not guaranteed long term success any more than short term success. So the question posed was 2 national championships over 5 years or over 30. Anyone saying 30 is delusional.
Nov 2, 2011 3:49pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:59 PM
lhslep134;955228 wrote:But when you hire a new coach you're not guaranteed long term success any more than short term success. So the question posed was 2 national championships over 5 years or over 30. Anyone saying 30 is delusional.

No it wasnt. It was short term success vs long term high level consistency. Also, it was 2 vs 3.
Nov 2, 2011 3:59pm
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Nov 2, 2011 5:37 PM
There should be no debate on this: if Urban Meyer says he wants to coach at OSU, you hand him a contract and the keys to his office. Let Fickell either stay as a defensive coach under Meyer and keep learning or go elsewhere and become a head coach and learn on the job at a school not as large as OSU.

Why worry about after Meyer leaves until he does? Even if he only stays a few seasons, I'm going to bet on his resume giving OSU pretty good results simply because history says that's what he does.
Nov 2, 2011 5:37pm
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Nov 2, 2011 5:46 PM
LJ;954913 wrote:I want to see Fickell as HC with Glen Mason as his O-Coord/Mentor
I've heard this before. Where is it coming from? I've never thought of Glen Mason as some sort of offensive genius?
Nov 2, 2011 5:46pm
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Nov 2, 2011 7:26 PM
If someone told me they could guarantee 2 NCs over the next 5 or guarantee 3 over 30, you bet your ass I'm taking the 2 and rolling the dice over the next 25 years that they'd win at least 1. Bcs wins and conference championships are great, but bcs championships are what really matters.
Nov 2, 2011 7:26pm
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Nov 2, 2011 7:29 PM
jordo212000;955358 wrote:I've heard this before. Where is it coming from? I've never thought of Glen Mason as some sort of offensive genius?
Just an idea. Mason is an OSU guy who has good head coaching experience and can run a decent offense. He's just someone that could be put on staff to say "uhh hey that's not a good idea"
Nov 2, 2011 7:29pm
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Nov 3, 2011 12:48 AM
Writerbuckeye;955353 wrote:There should be no debate on this: if Urban Meyer says he wants to coach at OSU, you hand him a contract and the keys to his office. Let Fickell either stay as a defensive coach under Meyer and keep learning or go elsewhere and become a head coach and learn on the job at a school not as large as OSU.

Why worry about after Meyer leaves until he does? Even if he only stays a few seasons, I'm going to bet on his resume giving OSU pretty good results simply because history says that's what he does.
This 100%.

A teenage boy doesn't choose the nice, loyal good girl that gives it up after marriage over the wildly hot rebellious girl that is only out for a fling. Why? Because the nice,loyal good girl will always be there in the end even after her boyfriend's had a little bit of fun with someone else. She's just too loyal.

Ohio State isn't going to choose Luke Fickell right away with the hope that it will eventually end up in a golden anniversary moment in the future if they can have an awesome time with Urban Meyer for a few years and still end up with that nice marriage once Urban's gotten what he wanted and left.

Luke Fickell would never turn this job down if he were offered it again in a few years. Any bitterness aside, it is bitterness you get over if you are him because even if not retained this year and he leaves for a few years, there's absolutely no way that he will have anything that comes close to the Ohio State job while gone.
Nov 3, 2011 12:48am
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Nov 3, 2011 1:50 AM
I want the coach that continues to dominate the B1G and win NCs. I don't think Fickell is that coach. If he ends up being that coach, I will be happy and will admit I was wrong.
Nov 3, 2011 1:50am
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Nov 3, 2011 7:53 AM
dwccrew;955749 wrote:I want the coach that continues to dominate the B1G and win NCs. I don't think Fickell is that coach. If he ends up being that coach, I will be happy and will admit I was wrong.
If Fickell goes 9-3 this year and wins a B1G championship, what makes you think he will be worse in the coming years? He took over a trainwreck, and has put them in a position to have a very good season.
Nov 3, 2011 7:53am