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Nov 2, 2011 1:13 PM
vball10set;954843 wrote:I don't think he'll feel like he's been "run out of town", as I believe he's known from the beginning that this year was strictly for him to have the opportunity to audition for a HC job on a national stage. Due to the limited time frame to hire a new head coach for the 2011 season was imminent , OSU needed an interim coach, an Ohio guy that was familiar with the program who would understand and accept the terms and conditions of his hire. Luke Fickell fit the profile, and will benefit greatly from this opportunity. I don't think, and this is strictly my opinion, that he was ever "in the running" for this job on a permanent basis--at least for the next few years.
While I agree with that to a point, I think the farther we go with the hypotheticals (win their half of the Big 10, win the conference championship, win the Rose Bowl), the more it would feel like "run out of town" if he was let go as a head coach.

Like, if they would lose another reg season game or two and was removed of those duties, it's logic. But if they wind up recovering from all the turmoil to have a very good season that winds up only being a step or two below the last few, it'd have to be a kick in the teeth to be told the school's going in a new direction.
Nov 2, 2011 1:13pm
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Nov 2, 2011 1:25 PM
I've been saying all season that the only way Fickell is guaranteed the job would have been to go undefeated and play for the National Championship. I've said all along that he's not coaching to keep the job, he's coaching for an interview. If they win out and get to the title game then he definitely gets his interview, and if they win the title game then he gets serious consideration for the job. If they don't make the title game he will still likely get an interview, but most likely won't be seriously considered for the job as a top choice.
Nov 2, 2011 1:25pm
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Nov 2, 2011 1:36 PM
IMO, fickell is not as big a problem as we all thought 2 weeks ago. Bollman has to go, the only way i will embrace fickell as the coach is to win out (at least get to the B1G title game) and he HAS to fire Bollman. If Bollman coaches there next year I will not be happy with whoever the HC is.
Nov 2, 2011 1:36pm
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Nov 2, 2011 2:00 PM
It really doesn't matter what we think. What matters is; will these guys play their hearts out for him? Last Saturday they did. If they continue to do it for the next 3 weeks, then we would be fools to tell Fickell to hit the road. The OC, now that's another matter.
Nov 2, 2011 2:00pm
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Nov 2, 2011 2:07 PM
tough situation for the guys in charge at OSU if Fickell takes this team to this Big 10 championship (which I think they win if they get there). Has there ever been a guy thrown into as tough as a situation as Fickell was?

There is no way you can turn down Urban Meyer. It would be nice if we could get Meyer and keep Fickell, but Fickell would surely be getting a head coaching job somewhere else.
Nov 2, 2011 2:07pm
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Nov 2, 2011 2:11 PM
Pick6;955029 wrote:tough situation for the guys in charge at OSU if Fickell takes this team to this Big 10 championship (which I think they win if they get there). Has there ever been a guy thrown into as tough as a situation as Fickell was?

There is no way you can turn down Urban Meyer. It would be nice if we could get Meyer and keep Fickell, but Fickell would surely be getting a head coaching job somewhere else.
Why can't they turn down Urban Meyer? He has a few things against him. He has never stayed at a job for more than 5 years. He is older than Fickell so he has less years to coach. He has health problems.

I think if Fickell can win out the season and go into an interview and wow them with his philosophy and so on, the job is his.
Nov 2, 2011 2:11pm
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Nov 2, 2011 2:18 PM
se-alum;954826 wrote:best college QB in the last decade.
The best college QB in the last decade is Tim Tebow. His accomplishments and accolades are unparalleled.

Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect in the last decade.
Nov 2, 2011 2:18pm
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Nov 2, 2011 2:18 PM
What job Pick 6? I doubt he would want HC job at MAC level or even Boise should it pop open. Luke's a Big 10 maybe Big 12 type guy. Don't see many of those jobs coming open next year / Minn or KS maybe year after. If he can win 6 in a row Gene Smith - you owe him the job, its the least you can do after how bad you and JT screwed this program over in the first place.
Nov 2, 2011 2:18pm
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Nov 2, 2011 2:19 PM
LJ;955033 wrote:Why can't they turn down Urban Meyer? He has a few things against him. He has never stayed at a job for more than 5 years. He is older than Fickell so he has less years to coach. He has health problems.
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true, true, and true. I've never bought into his health "problems". Have always seen it as an easy out to leave Florida.
Meyer also has one HUGE thing going for him. Every program he has been at, he has taken to the next level. The next level at OSU=national championships.
Nov 2, 2011 2:19pm
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Nov 2, 2011 2:24 PM
Pick6;955046 wrote:true, true, and true. I've never bought into his health "problems". Have always seen it as an easy out to leave Florida.
Meyer also has one HUGE thing going for him. Every program he has been at, he has taken to the next level. The next level at OSU=national championships.
But then we will be in this same situation in 5 years. I'd rather hav ea coach who stays for 30 years, is consistant, wins B1G titles and bowl games, and gets a national championship every decade over a guy who comes in, wins a NC or two, then leaves the program in the same shape it was in when he got there.
Nov 2, 2011 2:24pm
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Nov 2, 2011 2:39 PM
LJ;955053 wrote:gets a national championship every decade over a guy who comes in, wins a NC or two, then leaves the program in the same shape it was in when he got there.
So you'd take 2 championships over a 20 year period as opposed to 2 championships in a 5 year period? I know it's personal opinion but why the f**k would you prefer the former to the latter?
Nov 2, 2011 2:39pm
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Nov 2, 2011 2:42 PM
lhslep134;955079 wrote:So you'd take 2 championships over a 20 year period as opposed to 2 championships in a 5 year period? I know it's personal opinion but why the f**k would you prefer the former to the latter?
For consistency. He wants B1G titles and bowl game wins too. I would be so very happy if we could stay at the level we've been at during the Tressel era.
Nov 2, 2011 2:42pm
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Nov 2, 2011 2:45 PM
lhslep134;955079 wrote:So you'd take 2 championships over a 20 year period as opposed to 2 championships in a 5 year period? I know it's personal opinion but why the f**k would you prefer the former to the latter?
Why the fuck would you cut out part of my statement?
Nov 2, 2011 2:45pm
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Nov 2, 2011 2:45 PM
FatHobbit;955083 wrote:For consistency. He wants B1G titles and bowl game wins too. I would be so very happy if we could stay at the level we've been at during the Tressel era.
Ding ding ding.
Nov 2, 2011 2:45pm
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Nov 2, 2011 2:46 PM
vball10set;954843 wrote:I don't think he'll feel like he's been "run out of town", as I believe he's known from the beginning that this year was strictly for him to have the opportunity to audition for a HC job on a national stage. Due to the limited time frame to hire a new head coach for the 2011 season was imminent , OSU needed an interim coach, an Ohio guy that was familiar with the program who would understand and accept the terms and conditions of his hire. Luke Fickell fit the profile, and will benefit greatly from this opportunity. I don't think, and this is strictly my opinion, that he was ever "in the running" for this job on a permanent basis--at least for the next few years.
If he went into this season knowing it was just an audition, he's not very intelligent. It would be like going to a Broadway audition w/ bronchitis. I would be willing to bet that he was told he has a legitimate shot to remain the OSU coach after this season.
lhslep134;955042 wrote:The best college QB in the last decade is Tim Tebow. His accomplishments and accolades are unparalleled.

Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect in the last decade.
It's all opinion I guess, but when I watch Luck, I see the best college QB I've seen in a long time. He's basically the OC and seems to always have his guys in the right position to exploit the defense. I respect Tebow's accomplishments, but I don't think he was the all-around QB that Luck is.
Nov 2, 2011 2:46pm
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Nov 2, 2011 2:47 PM
We are OSU. I dont think we would ever have a problem getting a coach who could take us to BCS game and win Big 10 championships every year. JMO.
Nov 2, 2011 2:47pm
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Nov 2, 2011 2:48 PM
lhslep134;955079 wrote:So you'd take 2 championships over a 20 year period as opposed to 2 championships in a 5 year period? I know it's personal opinion but why the f**k would you prefer the former to the latter?
There are other things that "count" than just MNCs.
Nov 2, 2011 2:48pm
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Nov 2, 2011 2:48 PM
lhslep134;955079 wrote:So you'd take 2 championships over a 20 year period as opposed to 2 championships in a 5 year period? I know it's personal opinion but why the f**k would you prefer the former to the latter?
BTW, why would you prefer 2 NC's then can't even win your conference the other 3 years?
Nov 2, 2011 2:48pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:01 PM
LJ;955097 wrote:BTW, why would you prefer 2 NC's then can't even win your conference the other 3 years?
Because no one cares about conference bragging rights if you have national championships.

Do you really think anyone is ragging on Florida because they didn't win the SEC the other 3 years? I don't think so. I think Florida's 2 national championships kind of shuts up that argument. Does Ohio State have national respect because we've won so many Big Ten titles in a row? Or are we the butt of jokes because we lost 2 straight national title games? Come on dude.

I cut off the beginning of your post because I'd much rather have national championships than conference championships.


And if you guys really felt conference championships > national championships then you guys wouldn't have bitched as much of a fit when we lost to USC, because that had no impact on winning a conference championship, but ruined our chances for a national championship.
Nov 2, 2011 3:01pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:05 PM
lhslep134;955120 wrote:Because no one cares about conference bragging rights if you have national championships.

Do you really think anyone is ragging on Florida because they didn't win the SEC the other 3 years? I don't think so. I think Florida's 2 national championships kind of shuts up that argument.

I cut off the beginning of your post because I'd much rather have national championships than conference championships.


And if you guys really felt conference championships > national championships then you guys wouldn't have bitched as much of a fit when we lost to USC, because that had no impact on winning a conference championship, but ruined our chances for a national championship.
You are making an argument that no one has made. No one said that a conference championship is more important than an NC. I am saying that longevity and a high level consistency is more important than short term success.
Nov 2, 2011 3:05pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:08 PM
lhslep134;955120 wrote:And if you guys really felt conference championships > national championships then you guys wouldn't have bitched as much of a fit when we lost to USC, because that had no impact on winning a conference championship, but ruined our chances for a national championship.
It's not that I think conference champs are irrelevant. I want to be in the hunt every year and win it sometimes. That doesn't mean I won't be unhappy when we do lose.
Nov 2, 2011 3:08pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:08 PM
lhslep134;955120 wrote:Do you really think anyone is ragging on Florida because they didn't win the SEC the other 3 years? I don't think so. I think Florida's 2 national championships kind of shuts up that argument. Does Ohio State have national respect because we've won so many Big Ten titles in a row? Or are we the butt of jokes because we lost 2 straight national title games? Come on dude.
30 years from now, what would be more impressive?

Coach Ding Dong- 2 NC's, 2 Conference championships, 3 BCS bowl wins

Coach Herp Derp- 20 Conference Championships, 15 BCS bowl wins, 3 NC's
Nov 2, 2011 3:08pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:10 PM
LJ;955139 wrote:30 years from now, what would be more impressive?

Coach Ding Dong- 2 NC's, 2 Conference championships, 3 BCS bowl wins

Coach Herp Derp- 20 Conference Championships, 15 BCS bowl wins, 3 NC's
I agree.

and lol at coach ding dong and coach herp derp.
Nov 2, 2011 3:10pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:11 PM
LJ;955139 wrote:30 years from now, what would be more impressive?

Coach Ding Dong- 2 NC's, 2 Conference championships, 3 BCS bowl wins

Coach Herp Derp- 20 Conference Championships, 15 BCS bowl wins, 3 NC's
So you're not giving Coach Ding Dong any more success at any other programs over 30 years to add to his resume, yet Coach Herp Derp gets 30 years of success?

You can't have it both ways in your hypothetical.
Nov 2, 2011 3:11pm
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Nov 2, 2011 3:13 PM
lhslep134;955148 wrote:So you're not giving Coach Ding Dong any more success at any other programs over 30 years to add to his resume, yet Coach Herp Derp gets 30 years of success?

You can't have it both ways in your hypothetical.
I don't give a flying fuck about any other schools. We are talking about OHIO STATE
Nov 2, 2011 3:13pm