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Bigdogg
Posts: 1,429
Oct 28, 2011 11:28am
Looks like it is currently passing in the polls in spite of every major newspaper in Ohio against it. It is poorly written, with lots of unintended consequences, and many people think it is unconstitutional. Also what many people do not realize is that the Affordable Healthcare Act was passed by Congress and can only be eliminated by Congressional Act, and not any Presidential Executive order. Here is a good analysis of the problems:
http://innovationohio.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/IOReport_BadMedicine_0901.pdf
http://innovationohio.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/IOReport_BadMedicine_0901.pdf
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 3, 2011 9:43am
I really hope this passes.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Nov 3, 2011 9:51am
I will vote yes.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Nov 3, 2011 10:00am
Are the people behind this amendment being up front with the notion that the main reason for this issue's existence is symbolic?
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Nov 3, 2011 10:03am
I don't think they are, no.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 3, 2011 10:44am
Even if they are, too many voters don't pay attention and research the issues. Unfortunately.Con_Alma;956048 wrote:I don't think they are, no.
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Nov 3, 2011 10:46am
I will vote for it. I would vote for nullification if that were on the ballot.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Nov 3, 2011 10:53am
Dumb question. Does anyone know if there is a reasonably unbiased source to research the issues? I haven't a clue what issue 3 is about. (or any other issues really)WebFire;956130 wrote:Even if they are, too many voters don't pay attention and research the issues. Unfortunately.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Nov 3, 2011 10:54am
Are there not State lawsuits out there now?Cleveland Buck;956136 wrote:I will vote for it. I would vote for nullification if that were on the ballot.
Is this a step in Ohio being next in line?
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Nov 3, 2011 10:54am
Me too.Cleveland Buck;956136 wrote:I will vote for it. I would vote for nullification if that were on the ballot.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Nov 3, 2011 10:58am
That's part of the problem too.FatHobbit;956143 wrote:Dumb question. Does anyone know if there is a reasonably unbiased source to research the issues? I haven't a clue what issue 3 is about. (or any other issues really)
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Nov 3, 2011 11:02am
It essentially repeals the mandate in Obamacare.FatHobbit;956143 wrote:Dumb question. Does anyone know if there is a reasonably unbiased source to research the issues? I haven't a clue what issue 3 is about. (or any other issues really)
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Nov 3, 2011 11:04am
I hope Ohio gets involved, but I'm not hopeful for the outcome once it gets to the Supreme Court. I doubt a branch of the federal government is going to side with states defying federal law. Hopefully once they lose in court these states still resist.Con_Alma;956145 wrote:Are there not State lawsuits out there now?
Is this a step in Ohio being next in line?
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Nov 3, 2011 11:06am
I think the question will be based on whether the Federal law can supersede States rights in this scenario.Cleveland Buck;956157 wrote:I hope Ohio gets involved, but I'm not hopeful for the outcome once it gets to the Supreme Court. I doubt a branch of the federal government is going to side with states defying federal law. Hopefully once they lose in court these states still resist.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Nov 3, 2011 11:20am
How does federal law trump state law to make this the case?Cleveland Buck;956155 wrote:It essentially repeals the mandate in Obamacare.
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Bigdogg
Posts: 1,429
Nov 3, 2011 11:51am
Funny this thread just popped up today. Whatever LJ.
I am glad our hard working politicians in Columbus are working overtime on getting jobs and a decent standard of living back to Ohio. I would hate to think they were wasting our time and tax dollars passing symbolic legislation.
I am glad our hard working politicians in Columbus are working overtime on getting jobs and a decent standard of living back to Ohio. I would hate to think they were wasting our time and tax dollars passing symbolic legislation.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Nov 3, 2011 12:02pm
Funny this thread popped up last night when I approved the other threads that were waiting.Bigdogg;956269 wrote:Funny this thread just popped up today. Whatever LJ.
Whatever Bigdogg
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Nov 7, 2011 1:50am
I'm ok with our state reps protecting us from BIG government mandating things that shouldn't be mandated and effectively stripping us of our freedom of choice.Bigdogg;956269 wrote:Funny this thread just popped up today. Whatever LJ.
I am glad our hard working politicians in Columbus are working overtime on getting jobs and a decent standard of living back to Ohio. I would hate to think they were wasting our time and tax dollars passing symbolic legislation.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Nov 7, 2011 6:54am
I will be voting YES on Issue III
ISSUE I II III ... VOTE YES
ISSUE I II III ... VOTE YES
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Nov 7, 2011 12:25pm
FatHobbit;956143 wrote:Dumb question. Does anyone know if there is a reasonably unbiased source to research the issues? I haven't a clue what issue 3 is about. (or any other issues really)
Ballotpedia doesn't do too bad of a job with it in terms of a quick summary. I think they link to the ballot language too.
I read something in the Dispatch where this is one of very few, if not the only time where all 8 "major daily" Ohio newspapers came to a consensus in their endorsements, all saying to vote no.
EDIT: it is the first time ever
“Never in modern political history have all major daily newspapers in Ohio spoken with one voice on a controversial ballot initiative,”
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Nov 8, 2011 10:28am
Bigdogg;956269 wrote:I am glad our hard working politicians in Columbus are working overtime on getting jobs and a decent standard of living back to Ohio. I would hate to think they were wasting our time and tax dollars passing symbolic legislation.
Maybe you should quit believing that government has, or should have, the answers .... it is the problem.
And Issue 3 appears to be a victory for individual liberty and less government intrusion--- good.
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Nov 8, 2011 10:58am
Why yes on issue I? I don't want some old fogie judges hanging around longer than they need to. I would rather it be lowered.Belly35;961699 wrote:I will be voting YES on Issue III
ISSUE I II III ... VOTE YES
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Nov 8, 2011 11:47am
And what's up with the limiting the states ability to create other courts? .... Something is fishy here.OneBuckeye;963354 wrote:Why yes on issue I? I don't want some old fogie judges hanging around longer than they need to. I would rather it be lowered.
thePITman
Posts: 3,867
Nov 8, 2011 1:00pm
I voted YES on Issues 2 & 3.
bigdaddy2003
Posts: 7,384
Nov 8, 2011 1:09pm
I too voted YES on issues 2 and 3.