Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 5, 2012 12:26pm
sportswizuhrd;1039786 wrote:You really had Mizzou in your Final Four? Wow.
NBanimal54;997314 wrote: What are your predictions for the Final Four of March Madness?
I didnt have them IN, but I had them as Elite 8 (of course I cant prove it lol), but I do have them as a chance for the FF before the season. I may have been in the minority, but a few journalists had them as a top 2 team in the B12 at least.Laley23;997438 wrote:North Carolina
Ohio State
Kentucky
Florida
4 others/sleepers:
-Syracuse (I honestly think the Fine stuff could be a huge deterrent this year, or a rally)
-Xavier (2nd best PG in basketball, behind Taylor)
-Gonzaga (love Pangos (sp) their Freshman PG)
-Mizzou
Early Cuyler
Posts: 1,097
Jan 5, 2012 3:17pm
Cincinnati keeps on winning, Xavier keeps on losing. Not necessarily a good thing for UC, but it sure is nice the see Xavier fans' pipe dream of making the Final Four go down in flames.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 5, 2012 3:24pm
With Indiana's schedule I would only expect them to be 2 games worse than they currently are. Granted, those are a HUGE 2 games to win, but the meat of the schedule is still to come.Laley23;1039774 wrote:No, but you guys are fooling yourselves if you saw this coming this season with IU. People were saying Crean should be on the hot seat before the year, etc etc. 20 wins was about the ceiling for them, and people were hoping to be fighting for a middle of the spot B1G finish with aspirations of the NIT.
I personally still don't think they finish better than 4th in the conference, and 5th wouldn't be shocking. I think it will come down to their final 2 games (MSU and Purdue at home).
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 5, 2012 4:05pm
Thats fair, before the season I thought UK, OSU, and NCST were loses. Thought ND, Butler and Evansville would be tough games. But between those 6, I would have said 4 losses (5 total). But then I projected a 9-9 Big Ten finish.Mulva;1040093 wrote:With Indiana's schedule I would only expect them to be 2 games worse than they currently are. Granted, those are a HUGE 2 games to win, but the meat of the schedule is still to come.
I personally still don't think they finish better than 4th in the conference, and 5th wouldn't be shocking. I think it will come down to their final 2 games (MSU and Purdue at home).
I guess I look at the fact that they havent played in but 4 close games and won 3 of them. They blew teams out that pre-season most thought would be close or tough games. I think they have covered every game but MSU. Maybe I just undervalued the team compared to you. I never saw Watford playing this well, Hulls being a legitimate threat at the PG spot but mostly I didnt see Sheehey and Oladipo becoming All-Big Ten type performers (Oladipo this year and Sheehey in future years).
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 5, 2012 4:27pm
To clarify, I definitely would have thought Butler would be a loss coming into the season, but going into that game I didn't (once they lost to Evansville and needed a huge comeback to get past Gardner-Webb).
The performances have been a lot better (more convincing) than I would have expected, but the W/L is only a couple of games off. If they were worse than 10-4 right now there would be some major issues in my opinion.
9-9 is about what I would have picked in the B1G too, benefited by playing Penn St and Iowa twice honestly. Factoring in the NC Central game late in the year I would have said 20-21 wins heading into the B1G tourney and in pretty good shape to get an NCAA bid.
The performances have been a lot better (more convincing) than I would have expected, but the W/L is only a couple of games off. If they were worse than 10-4 right now there would be some major issues in my opinion.
9-9 is about what I would have picked in the B1G too, benefited by playing Penn St and Iowa twice honestly. Factoring in the NC Central game late in the year I would have said 20-21 wins heading into the B1G tourney and in pretty good shape to get an NCAA bid.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 5, 2012 11:48pm
Pitt loses to DePaul tonight. 11-5 (0-3) with 4 straight losses. Preseason #10 not looking like a tournament team.
Villanova lost by 17 at home to South Florida too. They're 7-8 (0-3). Picked 8th in the BE so not supposed to be great, but I don't think anyone expected it to be this bad.
Villanova lost by 17 at home to South Florida too. They're 7-8 (0-3). Picked 8th in the BE so not supposed to be great, but I don't think anyone expected it to be this bad.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 5, 2012 11:53pm
They are both terrible. Pitt actually has some solid players (Gibbs) but they are just bad right now.Mulva;1040707 wrote:Pitt loses to DePaul tonight. 11-5 (0-3) with 4 straight losses. Preseason #10 not looking like a tournament team.
Villanova lost by 17 at home to South Florida too. They're 7-8 (0-3). Picked 8th in the BE so not supposed to be great, but I don't think anyone expected it to be this bad.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 5, 2012 11:58pm
Also, Stanford loses @ Oregon, Washington loses by 18 @ Colorado, Cal loses @ Oregon State, and Arizona is down 7 at half to UCLA.
I feel like it gets said every year the last few years and then never ends up happening, but the Pac-12 looks like a 1 bid league to me.
I feel like it gets said every year the last few years and then never ends up happening, but the Pac-12 looks like a 1 bid league to me.
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
Jan 6, 2012 12:55am
Jamie Dixon is a horrible horrible postseason coach. Now it looks like he's a horrible regular season coach, too.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jan 6, 2012 11:12am
Ken McDonald fired at Western Kentucky..mid season, bet the players feel great about that
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Jan 6, 2012 2:47pm
The Players already quit on him. WKU was in the Sweet 16 two out of the 3 years...now they suck. Blame McDonald.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Jan 6, 2012 2:56pm
Tough way to go out though. Losing your last game because the refs missed that the other team had 6 guys on the court for the game winning layup.
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sportswizuhrd
Posts: 3,215
Jan 6, 2012 7:12pm
Saw that. They could have easily waited until their next loss.Mulva;1041260 wrote:Tough way to go out though. Losing your last game because the refs missed that the other team had 6 guys on the court for the game winning layup.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Jan 7, 2012 9:47am
Sagarin Conference ratings to date.
1. Big Ten
2. Big 12
3. Big East
4. Mountain West.
5. SEC
6. ACC
1. Big Ten
2. Big 12
3. Big East
4. Mountain West.
5. SEC
6. ACC
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Red Rider Nation
Posts: 1,085
Jan 7, 2012 10:12am
The problem with these ratings is they dont mean squat. I read every year how the Big Ten is such a power conference yet never cut the nets down! I see the ACC is at the bottom as usual but 2 of the last 3 years the ACC have cut the nets down. That stuff isnt worth the paper its printed on. That holds about as much weight with me as the TOP 25 rankings. Just ask PITT! There's only one #1 in the end and that's the only ranking that matters!
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Jan 7, 2012 10:34am
The conference rankings mean very little come tournament time.They might impact number of teams invited and seeding. The strength of a conference is not based on its best teams only. It is a refelction of every team in the conference. and the ACC is off its game this year. This league might only get two bids.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Jan 7, 2012 2:08pm
I think someone (NCST or Virginia) will step up and get enough wins, coupled with some wins versus Duke/UNC to get a bid. NCST has the athletes to beat Duke thats for sure, UNC will be a little tougher match-up wise fore either team.Prescott;1041796 wrote:The conference rankings mean very little come tournament time.They might impact number of teams invited and seeding. The strength of a conference is not based on its best teams only. It is a refelction of every team in the conference. and the ACC is off its game this year. This league might only get two bids.
I agree the rankings dont mean much predicting who has the top teams. But it is a good reflection of what conference will have the most teams and highest seeds...which in turn can lead to teams getting further.
GOONx19
Posts: 7,147
Jan 7, 2012 2:33pm
K-State is giving everything they've got to Mizzou right now. Up 19 with 1:00 left in the 1st half.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Jan 7, 2012 3:38pm
wtf is going on in the OSU game? Sloppy? I only have the Gamecast going.
Up 18-11 with 6 to go in the first half.
Up 18-11 with 6 to go in the first half.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jan 7, 2012 3:43pm
Automatik;1042040 wrote:wtf is going on in the OSU game? Sloppy? I only have the Gamecast going.
Up 18-11 with 6 to go in the first half.
Sloppy, fouls everywhere, Iowa fans that haven't been to a game in 7 years booing at everything. It's hard to watch.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jan 7, 2012 3:51pm
Automatik;1042040 wrote:wtf is going on in the OSU game? Sloppy? I only have the Gamecast going.
Up 18-11 with 6 to go in the first half.
Buford can't hit the broadside of a barn, yet keep throwing it up.
Craft still on a slide with his turnovers
osu45804
Posts: 6,188
Jan 7, 2012 3:51pm
Buford 0 for 10 shooting in the 1st Half... OUCH
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jan 7, 2012 3:51pm
Buford playing like shit, and I think Craft is feeling Shannon Scott breathing down his neck a little bit more each game. Thompson, Sully, Weatherspoon and Scott are playng pretty well...Sibert and Thomas, not.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jan 7, 2012 3:53pm
Thomas just got sat with 2 fouls early. He had a nice 3 early in the game.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Jan 7, 2012 3:55pm
Sloppy foul prone game in first half. But gotta be happy with a 9pt lead with Craft, Thomas and Smith Jr sitting on the bench for the last 10min. Bench came in and did a nice job. Buford can't throw it in the ocean. He is pressing it now, trying to force things to happen. Which isn't his game at all. OSU has to keep pounding it down to Sully. Road games are always tough. Iowa is much improved team this season.