If the Colts finish with the worst record in the NFL, what do they do at #1?

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Oct 5, 2011 1:23 AM
2kool4skool;922408 wrote: A lot of good QB's have seemed to regress, along with their team, in their 2nd seasons as starters. Drew Brees among them. The problem is generally the talent around them.
So I say if a team has a QB regress so much that they end up being able to nab the #1 pick/the #1 QB coming out that they will pull the trigger and your argument is a team that had its QB regress and get the #4 (?) pick and pull the trigger with the top QB coming out...Philip Rivers.

Of course it could backfire, but Rivers looking like the sure thing prospect and he was. SD, imo, made the right call. Brees wasnt going to do what he is doing in NO. Even so, the argument can be made for Rivers. This could be very similar. I think Luck is the best pro prospect since Peyton Manning. Much better than Bradford.

If Bradford can win, thats great and no need to draft a QB. Bradford is good enough to win titles (Big Ben, etc are other examples. Not on Mannings level, but certainly good enough). Then again, if Bradford comes out of the year with 2 wins....he isnt good enough to win anything. 2 wins is 2 wins. They play in the worst division in football. The talent was .500 last year, it didnt get that much worse.
Oct 5, 2011 1:23am
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Oct 5, 2011 1:30 AM
karen lotz;922410 wrote:St Louis made the playoffs last year?
Never mind, forgot they lost out to Seattle. Regardless, replace with "in the playoff hunt" and the point still stands. He had a great season for a rookie QB.
Laley23;922411 wrote:So I say if a team has a QB regress so much that they end up being able to nab the #1 pick/the #1 QB coming out that they will pull the trigger and your argument is a team that had its QB regress and get the #4 (?) pick and pull the trigger with the top QB coming out...Philip Rivers.
Right, and they drafted a guy who has been at best, even with Brees, and likely not as good as him. When they could have spent that pick on a position of need and picked up Larry Fitzgerald or Sean Taylor.

Luck may very well be the next Peyton Manning, but we've heard that about a few guys. People are treating him like he's Lebron James, when he's not anywhere close to a 100% lock superstar. No one really is in the NFL, especially QB's.
Oct 5, 2011 1:30am
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Oct 5, 2011 8:23 AM
I think you have to take Luck at #1 and let Luck groom for a couple of years. He's a smart kid and I think he could handle that. He passed up playing in the NFL before.

But they could also trade down and stock pile some picks. I would love to see 18 slinging it Blackmon, who should be the #2 pick. There is a lot of time between now and then and Manning's recovery process will have to factor in the decision.
Oct 5, 2011 8:23am
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Oct 5, 2011 10:52 AM
Interesting discussion. I think we have three good prospects to be taken in the first 10 picks in next years draft. I would assume that Seattle, Miami and Minnesota would take a QB in the top 10 next year. I personally would take Luck if I was Indy, let him learn for a few years and see what Manning has left in the tank.

Rank the following QBs in order starting for the 2012 season going forward:

P Manning
S Bradford
C McCoy
C Newton
A Dalton
B Gabbert
A Luck
M Barkley
L Jones
Oct 5, 2011 10:52am
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Oct 5, 2011 12:03 PM
I still have serious doubts that Manning will even return after this surgery.
Oct 5, 2011 12:03pm
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Oct 5, 2011 12:29 PM
Sonofanump;922553 wrote:Interesting discussion. I think we have three good prospects to be taken in the first 10 picks in next years draft. I would assume that Seattle, Miami and Minnesota would take a QB in the top 10 next year. I personally would take Luck if I was Indy, let him learn for a few years and see what Manning has left in the tank.

Rank the following QBs in order starting for the 2012 season going forward:

P Manning
S Bradford
C McCoy
C Newton
A Dalton
B Gabbert
A Luck
M Barkley
L Jones
Id go Manning, Luck, Newton, Bradford, Dalton, McCoy, Gabbert, Jones, Barkley.
Oct 5, 2011 12:29pm
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Oct 5, 2011 12:37 PM
Sonofanump;922553 wrote:Interesting discussion. I think we have three good prospects to be taken in the first 10 picks in next years draft. I would assume that Seattle, Miami and Minnesota would take a QB in the top 10 next year. I personally would take Luck if I was Indy, let him learn for a few years and see what Manning has left in the tank.

Rank the following QBs in order starting for the 2012 season going forward:

P Manning
S Bradford
C McCoy
C Newton
A Dalton
B Gabbert
A Luck
M Barkley
L Jones
Iliketurtles;922646 wrote:Id go Manning, Luck, Newton, Bradford, Dalton, McCoy, Gabbert, Jones, Barkley.
Hard to do for sure at this point, especially not knowing where Jones, Barkley and Luck end up. I think Barkley is going to be a great pro wherever he goes.

Manning
Luck
Bradford
Newton
Barkley


McCoy
Dalton
Gabbart
Jones
Oct 5, 2011 12:37pm
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Oct 5, 2011 1:52 PM
TBone14;922651 wrote:Hard to do for sure at this point, especially not knowing where Jones, Barkley and Luck end up. I think Barkley is going to be a great pro wherever he goes.
I agree with your first part. It's why I have Barkley and Jones at the bottom. I don't think Barkley will be that great anyway and Jones will probably be the 4-5th best from that list depending on where he goes to.
Oct 5, 2011 1:52pm
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Oct 5, 2011 1:53 PM
Sonofanump;922553 wrote:Interesting discussion. I think we have three good prospects to be taken in the first 10 picks in next years draft. I would assume that Seattle, Miami and Minnesota would take a QB in the top 10 next year. I personally would take Luck if I was Indy, let him learn for a few years and see what Manning has left in the tank.

Rank the following QBs in order starting for the 2012 season going forward:

P Manning
S Bradford
C McCoy
C Newton
A Dalton
B Gabbert
A Luck
M Barkley
L Jones
Tebow

The rest
Oct 5, 2011 1:53pm
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Oct 5, 2011 2:37 PM
This is a QB league, and they need to get the best available in the draft. Whomever that is? Well, that is up to their scouting department.
Oct 5, 2011 2:37pm
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Oct 5, 2011 3:07 PM
Turtles- So if your St. Louis and end up with the first pick do you stay pat at QB and trade the pick or draft Luck? Not sure myself.
Tbone- If you are Cleveland do you draft Barkley or stay with McCoy? I'd stay with McCoy if that possibility came up.

Wonder what Jax or Cincy would do with Barkley sitting there. They would have to take Luck, but pass on Barkley.
Oct 5, 2011 3:07pm
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Oct 5, 2011 3:18 PM
Unless McCoy comes down with a career threatening injury, or digresses something fierce the rest of this season then you stick with him.

The bengals have their QB of the future.
Oct 5, 2011 3:18pm
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Oct 5, 2011 3:23 PM
Sonofanump;922810 wrote:Turtles- So if your St. Louis and end up with the first pick do you stay pat at QB and trade the pick or draft Luck? Not sure myself.
Tbone- If you are Cleveland do you draft Barkley or stay with McCoy? I'd stay with McCoy if that possibility came up.

Wonder what Jax or Cincy would do with Barkley sitting there. They would have to take Luck, but pass on Barkley.

I think any of those teams would only draft a QB if they had the number 1 pick and they used it on Luck. If he isn't available, they stick with what they have and try to upgrade another position.
Oct 5, 2011 3:23pm
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Oct 5, 2011 5:03 PM
Sonofanump;922810 wrote:Turtles- So if your St. Louis and end up with the first pick do you stay pat at QB and trade the pick or draft Luck? Not sure myself.
Tbone- If you are Cleveland do you draft Barkley or stay with McCoy? I'd stay with McCoy if that possibility came up.

Wonder what Jax or Cincy would do with Barkley sitting there. They would have to take Luck, but pass on Barkley.
If I'm Cleveland I stay with McCoy. I wouldn't want to start all over with Barkley. I just think Barkley has more upside than McCoy long run. I really don't even know why. I just love the way he throws. He has a big arm but he is pinpoint accurate. He hasn't had the support that other recent USC QBs have had. I like the way he has progressed. 59% completion as a frosh with 15-14. 63% last year with 26-12. So far this year, nearly 71% and on pace for more than 30 TDs and 10 picks.
Oct 5, 2011 5:03pm
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Oct 5, 2011 5:31 PM
TBone14;922962 wrote:If I'm Cleveland I stay with McCoy. I wouldn't want to start all over with Barkley. I just think Barkley has more upside than McCoy long run. I really don't even know why. I just love the way he throws. He has a big arm but he is pinpoint accurate. He hasn't had the support that other recent USC QBs have had. I like the way he has progressed. 59% completion as a frosh with 15-14. 63% last year with 26-12. So far this year, nearly 71% and on pace for more than 30 TDs and 10 picks.
Love Matt Barkley. But I also loved Ryan Mallet and no one else really did. Still up in the air for both obviously.
Oct 5, 2011 5:31pm
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Oct 5, 2011 10:16 PM
Sonofanump;922810 wrote:Turtles- So if your St. Louis and end up with the first pick do you stay pat at QB and trade the pick or draft Luck? Not sure myself.
Tbone- If you are Cleveland do you draft Barkley or stay with McCoy? I'd stay with McCoy if that possibility came up.

Wonder what Jax or Cincy would do with Barkley sitting there. They would have to take Luck, but pass on Barkley.
It would depend on what you would get for the #1 pick. But I would for sure try and trade it if I was St Louis.
Oct 5, 2011 10:16pm