BoatShoes;953914 wrote:Again. You don't seem to understand what the unemployment statistic means. It means that if every single unemployed individual magically became a hard working true conservative willing to take any job whether it be cleaning up poo or wiping down toilets there would not be enough available jobs for everyone.

BoatShoes;953914 wrote:Again. You don't seem to understand what the unemployment statistic means. It means that if every single unemployed individual magically became a hard working true conservative willing to take any job whether it be cleaning up poo or wiping down toilets there would not be enough available jobs for everyone.

Cleveland Buck;953925 wrote:I wasn't talking about the whole economy. You are talking about specific fields. If the economy is booming and you graduate with an accounting degree but that field is filled up, how are you going to create an environment that forces businesses to hire more accountants?

The conflict came hours after thousands of Occupy Oakland protesters marched on the Port of Oakland, disrupting operations at the nation’s fifth largest port and causing all maritime operations in the city to be shut down.
Officials at the Port of Oakland said Wednesday that they hope to resume normal operations in the morning after protesters marched through the city all day and into the night on a “general strike” that saw banks and stores picketed and disrupted the flow of traffic.
Demonstrators began marching to the port at 4 p.m. Wednesday, and by 5 p.m. all work had been halted at the port. A message on the website OccupyOakland.org said that the goal was “to stand in solidarity with the longshore workers and shut down the evening shift of the port.”

“Maritime operations remain effectively shut down. And the port is working to ensure that all workers in the harbor area can get home safely. … It is our hope that the work day can resume tomorrow and port workers will be allowed to get to their jobs without incident,” Benjamin said.
“Continued missed shifts represent economic hardship for maritime workers, truckers and their families as well as lost jobs and lost tax revenue for our region,” he added.

[Several banks were vandalized and a dozen windows were shattered at the Wells Fargo branch, while an area of Whole Foods was vandalized after rumors spread that employees who participated in the strike would be fired, according to ABC News affiliate KGO.
Conflict among protesters arose as some scrubbed graffiti from a branch of Wells Fargo bank and a group of protesters attempted to stop another from vandalizing a Whole Foods, KGO reported. A police spokesperson said that five businesses were vandalized throughout the day.

I Wear Pants;955895 wrote:No they shouldn't. People who vandalize should be arrested though.

The groups of protesters who were scrubbing away graffiti and tried to stop the vandals should be heralded though. It's upsetting when dickheads give a bad name to a good thing.

Glory Days;955913 wrote:so them organizing a demonstration that shut down a major port is ok and doesnt deserve punishment? everything they did falls under the definition of a riot to me.

Glory Days;955807 wrote:http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/11/occupy-oakland-protesters-tear-gassed-by-police/

the leaders of this group should be arrested and jailed.

Glory Days;955807 wrote:http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/11/occupy-oakland-protesters-tear-gassed-by-police/








the leaders of this group should be arrested and jailed.

I Wear Pants;956005 wrote:I can agree with that sleeper. If the goal is to gain traction and support of more people it probably won't be done by shutting down ports.

Parks and public squares and such? Great for protests. Ports, etc? Not so much.

gut;956011 wrote:I think these protestors should take up squatting on a container bound for China....

"Right this way, folks...all the way to the back....free coffee and high-speed internet in the back"

sleeper;956014 wrote:I agree to an extent. The problem is, public parks and squares are maintained by tax payers who will likely see a reduction in benefits(or a rise in taxes) from the damage being caused from the protestors.

With that said, I'd much rather than infiltrate public places then shut down private places of work.

I Wear Pants;956019 wrote:Parks and squares are where people are supposed to protest. I don't condone the damage to those places being done by protestors though. Doesn't need to happen. That said, sometimes it's hard to remember to throw your empty water bottle in the trash or recycle it if you're having flash bangs thrown at you, beaten by cops, or getting pepper sprayed.

I Wear Pants;956019 wrote:Parks and squares are where people are supposed to protest. I don't condone the damage to those places being done by protestors though. Doesn't need to happen. That said, sometimes it's hard to remember to throw your empty water bottle in the trash or recycle it if you're having flash bangs thrown at you, beaten by cops, or getting pepper sprayed.

I Wear Pants;955919 wrote:You're a cop. You think everything is a riot.

sleeper;956030 wrote:Right because the cops are unprovoked and unjustified in trying to keep the crowd under control.

Here's a thought, why don't the protestors go home every night to sleep, shower, eat, then come back out in the morning? This way the still get their 'message' across and they don't damage public property.

Con_Alma;956042 wrote:The problem begins when the protesters can't seem to leave when their permit is up.

The park isn't just for protesters. When you overtake a park or public space you don't create an environment whereby others can use it also. That's not fair to the general public. They have just as much right to that space as protestors. That's why there are rules in place with regards to how and when a group can protest. It doesn't take away their right to protest but it does allow others to maintain their right to use the space also.

Glory Days;956058 wrote:true, i saw 4 guys playing basketball once. damn near beat them and arrested them on the spot.

Glory Days;956063 wrote:thats exactly what is happening in cleveland right now. some of the parks had permits reserved for other events/groups and the protestors are pissed they are being kicked out now.