WebFire;929357 wrote:It's common in construction to pay for driving from office to site or site to site. But I agree that it really isn't common outside of that.

It's the Union tradeworkers really. If the excavation company workers are unionized, I can see them getting pay for commuting.

The lantern article linked above says Posey, like all athletes he employed, made $15 an hour.

karen lotz;929364 wrote:The lantern article linked above says Posey, like all athletes he employed, made $15 an hour.

I think the NCAA is using interesting math techniques. They say he got paid for 20 hours that he never worked, and was getting paid for other hours that he supposedly never worked. I think the NCAA took all those hours that he got paid for and used that to come up with his "wage"

LJ;929363 wrote:It's the Union tradeworkers really.

That would probably be an accurate statement.

karen lotz;929364 wrote:The lantern article linked above says Posey, like all athletes he employed, made $15 an hour.

From the Lantern article:

Drive time
James argued that drive time to the Independence area from Columbus and back was included in Posey's compensation.
James said in a letter dated Sept. 30 to Doug Archie, OSU's associate athletic director for compliance, that the days and hours Posey worked were incorrectly reported. Independence Excavating originally reported that Posey worked 10 hours the week ending March 27, 2009, 24 hours the week ending June 18, 2009, 20 hours the week ending Feb. 19, 2010 and 16 hours the week ending March 25, 2011.
According to the letter, the hours should have been reported as 10 hours, 11 hours, nine hours and 16 hours, respectively, and Posey was paid for those hours. Each week incorporated driving time to Independence from Columbus and back as part of his compensation, which is normal for union employees.
Posey was paid a grand total $978.49 from DiGeronimo, which accounts for 65.23 hours of the 70 hours for which he was paid, assuming he was paid $15 per hour.

http://www.thelantern.com/sports/posey-s-lawyer-posey-hasn-t-done-anything-wrong-1.2638009#.TpONl5sr2so

From the same article...

DiGeronimo said in a June 29 letter to James that all athletes were paid $15 an hour, a rate he said was comparable to his shop employees but less than what local union members who do comparable work would be paid.

Is this confusing or something different than what I said?

also from that article...

OSU and NCAA enforcement staffs concluded that Posey was paid for 70 hours of work, despite only working 21.5 hours. He was overpaid by 48.5 hours and $727.50.

There was a Dispatch article (I think) where Gee said that Posey was not treated unfairly by the NCAA and OSU had worked with the NCAA in this investigation.

I'm not defending Posey here...but I don't believe or trust OSU to be unbiased in this. They want this over and the NCAA done with them. If they prolong this by appealing, it does neither.

In any event, Posey probably shouldn't be on the team, anymore, given his blatant disregard of the rules. If we had a real head coach, I think that would have happened. Fickell either doesn't want to make those kinds of decisions or he isn't allowed to. I'm not sure which -- but he's done enough stuff poorly to warrant being let go at the end of the season. So I guess it doesn't matter.

Gee's comment...which differs considerably from Gene Smith's, illustrates my contention that all entities in an investigation need their own representation. The interests of OSU and Posey are not necessarily one and the same.
http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/10/08/ncaa-suspends-posey-for-5-games.html

Apparently OSU decided not to forward the additional documentation because to do so would have delayed the decision into November anyway.

It is just more evidence of the mess that the NCAA and its "compliance rules" have become.
All of this for a sum total of maybe $2000 over 2 years at the most,,,supposedly rational adults have ruined a kid's career.

Former coach Earle Bruce was incredulous over the additional 5 game suspension for such a paltry sum..."Teach the kid a lesson, but don't ruin him."...and that was before the documentation came to light. Of course, Bruce coached in a day when the NCAA actually took the student athlete's interests to heart.

comments from a mother who has had to deal with this(from the article)
Julie Posey said her son would stay in school to finish his degree in communications and intends to play when he becomes eligible.
“Football does not define my son,” she said. “He came to Ohio State for reasons other than just to play football. He came also to get his degree. He came to mature and be ready to go out in the world. Prayerfully, he’ll be blessed to be able have his dream come true and play in the NFL.”
She described her son as “baffled” by the latest suspension.
“My son just cannot believe that adults would be this determined to be this unfair,” she said. “I don’t think he — or I or his attorney or Gene Smith —- can wrap our arms around why they would give him an additional five games."

Give me a break.

Posey may be ineligible to play but he's still a student at the OSU.

How is this ruining a career? Michael Vick (and I can't stand him) and Plaxico Burress served jail time and still had a career.

If the guy can play at the next level, he'll get drafted. I'm not certain of that.

I'm playing the world's smallest violin for this guy, and his mother. If he truly came to OSU to get his degree he can still get it.

This program is an embarrassment.

...and that's what he's doing. He's going to school in spite of the adversity hurled his way. He's getting a communications degree. He's not out occupying Wall Street. He lost an entire year of development for pocket change. Show me something that proves he is a bad kid. Show me anything that justifies this.

HitsRus;929602 wrote:...and that's what he's doing. He's going to school in spite of the adversity hurled his way. He's getting a communications degree. He's not out occupying Wall Street. He lost an entire year of development for pocket change. Show me something that proves he is a bad kid. Show me anything that justifies this.

He's not occupying Wall Street? What the fuck does that to do with anything? Also, I'm pretty sure he is able to practice so your "lost a year of development" theory doesn't apply either.

Does self-made adversity really count?

He's not occupying Wall Street? What the **** does that mean.

MB knows what I mean...he's not a troublemaker.
Show me something that show's he's a bad kid. Is that so hard?

I'm pretty sure he is able to practice so your "lost a year of development" theory doesn't apply either.

Yeah, I'm sure he's getting a lot of reps and game experience. What a **** comment.

HitsRus;929661 wrote:Show me something that show's he's a bad kid. Is that so hard?



Yeah, I'm sure he's getting a lot of reps and game experience. What a **** comment.

Not sure what being a bad kid has to do with it. He isn't serving jail time.

HitsRus;929661 wrote: Yeah, I'm sure he's getting a lot of reps and game experience. What a **** comment.

ok.

karen lotz;929404 wrote:From the same article...



Is this confusing or something different than what I said?

so in other words.....he was underpaid?

????????????

karen lotz;929695 wrote:????????????

sorry. Your quote from the article said that he didnt receive the same amount as union workers doing similar work. I was non union and got paid the same amount as union workers. Instead of the benefits I got the dollar differential, though.

Show me something that justifies an additional suspension. The only thing he is guilty of was selling stuff for tattoos, and for that he was severely punished given the suspensions levied on other players.The latest accusations are certainly cast in doubt....so that eliminates the multiple "offender" arguement. At most he might be guilty of not realizing that someone was paying him too much pocket change for working.

I don't if Posey's a bad guy or not, but he screwed up twice, yet still has access to his education, the athletic dept., the weight room, the trainers, etc. If he's NFL bound he is, many players have done more with less and impressed in the combine/interview.

He appears to acquaint himself with the wrong people, whether it is with the tattoo parlor or with Cesar Geronimo or whatever his name is. That isn't a good history.

Look, I don't want to go back and reiterate the points I've made thoughout this thread, but it'not all about Posey and Ohio State although it creates a forum for discussion. The NCAA as a governing body has become bloated and out of control, the enforcement of its 'rules' is selective and heavy handed. It holds its member institutions hostage with the funnelling of hundreds of millions of dollars (while restricting the laborers from earning from the fruits of that labor). The Ohio State University and other member Institutions are dependent of that money to run its athletic programs, and such, are forced to cow-tow to the NCAA lest they be struck with even more severe penalties. Devier Posey is an example of how one can get ground up in the gears of the system for minor infractions.

Can someone explain to me how it came about that Posey was getting paid to drive to work? I mean, how does something like that even get out?

Why is he still being defended? So he got paid for 10 hours of work one day? And that includes 5 hours of driving? How dumb does his attorney think people are? That's shady stuff for a communications major who is working for an excavating company of a guy who is having $100 hand shakes with players.

Scarlet_Buckeye;929861 wrote:Can someone explain to me how it came about that Posey was getting paid to drive to work? I mean, how does something like that even get out?

The maxim is "when you lay down with dogs......" I'm not a big fan of the statement as I like dogs. But the meaning is if you deal with this type of people, be prepared to deal with the ramifications.