Just what I've been told by some buddies who live around campus.LJ;901987 wrote:I don't believe it for 1 second. Vrabel is nowhere ready to be a DC. Either way he is the LB coach. If Meyer is hired, I think he possibly asks Fickell to stay on as DC, Vrabel as LB, and probably Drayton. No way does any coach ask Vrabel to be DC
I can believe that of Strong, but no way does Vrabel become anyone's DC next year unless Fickell is hired at Akron or something.Ty Webb;901992 wrote:Just what I've been told by some buddies who live around campus.
They seem to really believe if Strong is fired...he will be Meyer's DC
OhioStatePride2003;902206 wrote:
Another pitiful performance like the one last night, and I'm easily becoming an Ohio U. season ticket holder. Chep tickets, and decent football.
He's not even the best OSU QB in the last 6 years.j_crazy;901881 wrote:Pryor minus all the drama was the best QB in OSU history.
Now now, I'm not changing my team! I'm as big of a Buckeye fan as there is, but my eyes and heart can't take another performance like the one last night. More than anything, it was sad...really sad. I'd be content in watching the Bobcats, while checking the ol' cell phone for updates. It's just painful to watch. Unfortunately, writing for bucksinsider.com kind of requires me to watch the games. Just plain ol' heartbroken is what you can call it.LJ;902208 wrote:Don't let the door hit you.....
You do realize that statistically he was better than Smith right? In both total yards and total TDs. I mean, last year TP had something like 600 yards more total offense and the same number of total TDs that Smith did during his Hesiman year. I know it's hard to accept, but TP was better than TS.Al Bundy;902221 wrote:He's not even the best OSU QB in the last 6 years.
How long have you been an OSU fan...5 years? LOL. I've seen some really, really bad play out of OSU teams during the past 40 plus years and haven't wavered a bit in being a fan. It goes with the territory that you're going to have some real stinkers if you stay the fan of a team over a long period of time.OhioStatePride2003;902225 wrote:Now now, I'm not changing my team! I'm as big of a Buckeye fan as there is, but my eyes and heart can't take another performance like the one last night. More than anything, it was sad...really sad. I'd be content in watching the Bobcats, while checking the ol' cell phone for updates. It's just painful to watch. Unfortunately, writing for bucksinsider.com kind of requires me to watch the games. Just plain ol' heartbroken is what you can call it.
I don't think that stats tell whole, but Smith had 30 Td's vs. Pryor's 27. Pryor threw almost twice as many interceptions as Smith. Pryor's decision making was terrible. If you go back and watch those games, TP isn't even close to being the QB that Smith was.LJ;902231 wrote:You do realize that statistically he was better than Smith right? In both total yards and total TDs. I mean, last year TP had something like 600 yards more total offense and the same number of total TDs that Smith did during his Hesiman year. I know it's hard to accept, but TP was better than TS.
Al Bundy;902277 wrote:I don't think that stats tell whole, but Smith had 30 Td's vs. Pryor's 27. Pryor threw almost twice as many interceptions as Smith. Pryor's decision making was terrible. If you go back and watch those games, TP isn't even close to being the QB that Smith was.
No doubt the talent was greater in 2006, and we have no way of knowing how that would alter the stats (TP likely would have had fewer yards if he had a back like Wells). This is why I don't think stats are the best measuring stick. Watch the games of the two and just look at the decision making. Pryor had better natural ability, but maybe that hurt his development because he often got away with terrible fundamentals.LJ;902287 wrote:And pryor threw for 200 more yards and rushed for 500 more yards and had 31 total tds to smiths 31 total tds. Lets not forget the difference in talent around each of them (supporting cast 2006>>2010)
Um no, a lot longer than 5 years. More along the lines of 15, since I was around 10 years old. At least that's when I can remember watching the games. Holy hell. I was simply referring to Ohio State's inability to do anything on offense, and Ohio U. put up 44. That's all. I know all too well about underachieving teams, not that you can really classify this OSU team as underachieving, but I'm a Browns fan as well. I spent a vast majority of last night defending the Bucks, I've never even once thought about rooting for another team. Damn.Writerbuckeye;902250 wrote:How long have you been an OSU fan...5 years? LOL. I've seen some really, really bad play out of OSU teams during the past 40 plus years and haven't wavered a bit in being a fan. It goes with the territory that you're going to have some real stinkers if you stay the fan of a team over a long period of time.
Now, was that one of the worst QB exhibitions I've ever seen at OSU? Yep. Right up there with Herbstreit and Bellisari when they ran the offense. Both were pretty awful, but at least they could run some. Bauserman can't even do that.
If Fickell doesn't start Miller against Colorado and ride him the rest of the season, he's an idiot. Bauserman has show he can't play the QB position at this level; not against decent competition, anyway.
Except he did have Beanie 1 season and ran for 630 yards and 6 TDsAl Bundy;902302 wrote:No doubt the talent was greater in 2006, and we have no way of knowing how that would alter the stats (TP likely would have had fewer yards if he had a back like Wells).
As a college QB Pryor > SmithThis is why I don't think stats are the best measuring stick. Watch the games of the two and just look at the decision making. Pryor had better natural ability, but maybe that hurt his development because he often got away with terrible fundamentals.
This.bigorangebuck22;901337 wrote:I miss neither. I miss experienced people at those positions. Players and coaches come and go.
Pryor would have been ineligible for the whole seasonjordo212000;902460 wrote:This.
We might lose 5-6 games without them, but let's face it, if they did stay around there was a pretty good chance they might do something else that forced us to vacate the wins anyways?
Link? I never heard thatLJ;902465 wrote:Pryor would have been ineligible for the whole season
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Not only the letter that OSU sent (saying that he would have been), but the Charity event stuff as well as a few other things that Pryor refuses to talk to the NCAA about.jordo212000;902468 wrote:Link? I never heard that
(I was being facetious anyways
Go ahead, pull up the stats. They had the same total number of TDs, Pryor had more passing yards, ~same completion percentage, and more rushing yards.thedynasty1998;902485 wrote:Pryor wasn't even 1st team all Big 10 last year was he? He was not better than Smith the year he won the Heisman. I don't want to pull up the stats, but the eye test is all I need.
The eye test. Stats don't always tell the whole story.LJ;902489 wrote:Go ahead, pull up the stats. They had the same total number of TDs, Pryor had more passing yards, ~same completion percentage, and more rushing yards.
More offensive production? Checkthedynasty1998;902502 wrote:The eye test. Stats don't always tell the whole story.
Pryor did have sneaky good numbers but he never got the program to the National Championship. I know we got killed in the national championship with Smith, but that alone makes him a notch above IMO. Pryor had great stats but he always had a game or two per season that just completely cost us.LJ;902506 wrote:More offensive production? Check
Same record as Smith? Check*
Win against an SEC school in a BCS bowl game? Check*
Pryor was a better college QB, was more productive, was more explosive, was more exciting....
But he was also a 2 time BCS bowl MVP.jordo212000;902513 wrote:Pryor did have sneaky good numbers but he never got the program to the National Championship. I know we got killed in the national championship with Smith, but that alone makes him a notch above IMO. Pryor had great stats but he always had a game or two per season that just completely cost us.
ehh I remember the offensive line getting manhandled. I'm definitely not going to agree with Smith losing the game himself. Smith didn't play well, but neither the o-line or defense.LJ;902519 wrote:But he was also a 2 time BCS bowl MVP.
I think the NC game exposed Smith as to how good but not great he was. Smith lost the NC game himself and the 2005 Penn State game as well.