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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
Dec 9, 2009 11:50pm
SQ, right now I'd be optimistic about Bosh.
Ferry will sell his soul to land him. Z, Shaq, West, Hickson anyone is trade worthy outside of Bron right now.
Ferry will sell his soul to land him. Z, Shaq, West, Hickson anyone is trade worthy outside of Bron right now.
Trueblue23
Posts: 7,463
Dec 9, 2009 11:50pm
I wouldn't be that optimistic either lol
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Dec 9, 2009 11:51pm
Still not that optimistic.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Dec 9, 2009 11:51pm
I'll shit my pants on purpose if we land Bosh--and that's the last thing I want to do. That's how confident I am in that.
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dave
Posts: 4,558
Dec 9, 2009 11:58pm
Toronto has no reason to make that move whatsoever.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Dec 10, 2009 12:01am
I wouldn't be surprised if they trade him--they should otherwise they're not going to get anything for him. But they aren't going to want what Cleveland has to offer and I doubt they're too willing to pair LeBron and Bosh up in their own conference.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Dec 10, 2009 12:06am
Quoted for reference.SQ_Crazies wrote: I'll shit my pants on purpose if we land Bosh--and that's the last thing I want to do. That's how confident I am in that.
Sage
Posts: 2,070
Dec 10, 2009 12:37am
Toronto has all the reasons to make the deal.
They just sunk a ton of money into Hedo. They've got some young pieces--and Chris Bosh is walking regardless. They're not going to let the franchise player walk for nothing.
Shaq offers them HUGE cap flexibility, plus they could get a nice piece like Hickson. Especially in this economy. Dead money = gold.
They just sunk a ton of money into Hedo. They've got some young pieces--and Chris Bosh is walking regardless. They're not going to let the franchise player walk for nothing.
Shaq offers them HUGE cap flexibility, plus they could get a nice piece like Hickson. Especially in this economy. Dead money = gold.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Dec 10, 2009 12:45am
They could get an offer they like from somewhere else too--Cleveland will be one of the last teams they'll want to make a deal with. LeBron and Bosh together could start a dynasty in the East that lasts 8+ years. The Raptors don't want that anymore than anyone else in the East.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Dec 10, 2009 1:07am
My biggest question is...why do we always suck against Houston--especially in Houston? It's too consistent to be a coincidence, I don't get it.
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burt07
Posts: 600
Dec 10, 2009 1:14am
Yeah it's a good question. I think part of it has to do with LeBron against Battier. For some reason the last few years, and including the first half tonight, LeBron is afraid to go inside with Battier on him. It seemed like in the 2nd half tonight LeBron finally realized, o wait, yeah I can go inside and there really isn't that much more else in the post that is going to stop me. But yeah it's always ugly in Houston, they're just one of those teams that has the Cavs number I guess.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Dec 10, 2009 1:17am
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player=jamesle01&match=game&year_min=2004&year_max=2010&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=HOU&is_playoffs=N&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts
Not his best numbers against any team, but pretty damn good. I really don't know what it is--I think you're right, they just have our number. Then again the Wizards seem to have our number in the regular season too.
Not his best numbers against any team, but pretty damn good. I really don't know what it is--I think you're right, they just have our number. Then again the Wizards seem to have our number in the regular season too.
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JakeGiant
Posts: 355
Dec 10, 2009 1:22am
Cavs can't do that. Shaq plans on getting a ring for the King.Sage wrote:
Shaq is done.
The good news, Cavs fans, is that Shaq can be turned to pretty much anybody on the trade block come February.
I'd start the Chris Bosh watch now.
dazedconfused
Posts: 2,662
Dec 10, 2009 2:09am
yeah, we suck balls right now
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Cmhs74
Posts: 174
Dec 10, 2009 7:42am
Rockets being a young team with their top two players out have nothing to lose, if they win it's a plus, if they lose it was expected. These young players are hungry to show what they can do and put it all on the court. Battier is one of the better defenders in the league and did a good job on LeBron. Brooks has been a leader for this team all year. With Shaq playing for Cleveland it gives all teams a chance against them.
newarkcatholicfan
Posts: 3,199
Dec 11, 2009 6:07pm
Is this the same Shaq that many said would be a huge help for this team?
He is the same guy that helped the Suns to a championship . . . No wait the Suns did not win one with him.
He is the same guy that helped the Suns to a championship . . . No wait the Suns did not win one with him.
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burt07
Posts: 600
Dec 11, 2009 6:59pm
Hold on NCF, could you find a brighter color for your post, I feel my eyes aren't bleeding quite enough.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Dec 11, 2009 7:23pm
This is the same Shaq I said would help this team. I still believe he does. If the Lakers lose one game does that mean that Andrew Bynum isn't what you thought he was?
jpake1
Posts: 2,389
Dec 11, 2009 7:46pm
Compared to some of the other teams in the league, what does Cleveland have to offer Toronto that would make them even think about trading Bosh to them? Hickson and Delonte won't cut it. Late round draft picks won't exactly spice up the deal. The Cavs don't have a lot of valuable trade assests, not the kind that get you Bosh. However, I will say this. I've seen some really DUMB moves in the NBA out of desperation. Anything can happen in this league, even if it doesn't make sense.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Dec 11, 2009 7:50pm
^Exactly. We have some VERY valuable trade assets--but not for guys like Bosh. I'm not optimistic, BUT they may want to take on Shaq to free up space for the FA period if they think that Bosh is going to walk at the end of the season anyways--plus they'd get a nice young player in Hickson so you can see where that line of thinking is. Could happen, but if they deal him I doubt it's to the Cavs. If they did could you imagine the hatred towards the Raptors from every other GM in the league? LOL, pairing LeBron and Bosh and essentially making LeBron back in Cleveland a 100% sure thing.
jpake1
Posts: 2,389
Dec 11, 2009 8:15pm
They only way I see him being traded to the Cavs is if it's a sign and trade after the year. He tells Toronto it was a close call, but he wants to play with Cleveland. Everybody agrees to a sign and trade. But Toronto would have to be stupid to do that. They'll get less for him at that point in time.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Dec 11, 2009 8:17pm
No way it happens like that, because like you said they'll get less for him. They're either going to trade him before the deadline or he's going to walk.
Doesn't matter. We need to just stop having this discussion--the only way Bosh plays in Cleveland with LeBron is to sign as a FA.
Doesn't matter. We need to just stop having this discussion--the only way Bosh plays in Cleveland with LeBron is to sign as a FA.
jpake1
Posts: 2,389
Dec 11, 2009 8:29pm
If he's going to walk, by all means they will most definitely try to do the sign and trade and get whatever they can. The odds of him just walking and them saying bye without trying is very very slim. I still think that is stupid. If you think he's going to walk, trade him now.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Dec 11, 2009 8:31pm
That's exactly what we're saying.
If he has no intentions of playing for the Raptors next year then what is the point in a sign and trade? He'll just walk.
I don't know what the odds of anything are because for all I know he may want to sign back in Toronto--I'm of the opinion that he doesn't, but who knows.
If he has no intentions of playing for the Raptors next year then what is the point in a sign and trade? He'll just walk.
I don't know what the odds of anything are because for all I know he may want to sign back in Toronto--I'm of the opinion that he doesn't, but who knows.
jpake1
Posts: 2,389
Dec 11, 2009 8:36pm
There is a huge point in a sign and trade. The Raptors can give him more money than any other team. It serves Bosh very well to sign his 6yr contract then be traded.