lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 5, 2011 1:09pm
No Mulva's original point was about Indiana, Minnesota.jordo212000;883916 wrote:
But that wasn't the original argument...
My argument has been a conference-wide one from the outset. Look at my earlier posts on this thread.
Don't let facts get in the way of your delusion.
The original argument is Boise doesn't play a conference gauntlet so OBVIOUSLY my argument is a top-to-bottom conference one. You guys are really reaching here to try and prove me wrong, considering my argument is the conference one. Mulva threw out indiana, minnesota, not me.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 5, 2011 1:09pm
Minnesota had 0 players drafted and Indiana 2 in the 4th round in 2011.lhslep134;883913 wrote:Please, kind sir, address the rest of my NFL draft post.
Oh wait, you don't like addressing the core point of someone's argument that proves you wrong, you only like to look at the periphery, the unimportant stuff.
'nuff said.
Oh and Mulva brought up Minnesota, Indiana, like I said, not me.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 5, 2011 1:12pm
Hawai'i had 3.
Fresno State had 2.
Idaho had 3.
New Mexico State had 1.
Nevada had 3.
Utah State had 1 (3rd round)
Did Boise play those teams? Please spin.
Fresno State had 2.
Idaho had 3.
New Mexico State had 1.
Nevada had 3.
Utah State had 1 (3rd round)
Did Boise play those teams? Please spin.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 5, 2011 1:12pm
Minnesota and Indiana are not my original argument, or even my main one.karen lotz;883919 wrote:Minnesota had 0 players drafted and Indiana 2 in the 4th round in 2011.
Karen, in simpleton terms for you:
Boise doesn't play a top to bottom conference gauntlet, against dozens of NFL players (25+), like BCS schools do. What is your counter to that?!
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 5, 2011 1:14pm
karen lotz;883921 wrote:Hawai'i had 3.
Fresno State had 2.
Idaho had 3.
New Mexico State had 1.
Nevada had 3.
Utah State had 1 (3rd round)
Did Boise play those teams? Please spin.
How many in the 1st round? How many in the 2nd round? How many in the 3rd? 1 total? LOL
Big 10 had 9 in that span.
If you're using 6th and 7th round picks as your argument, then you are really struggling to be taken seriously LOL.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 5, 2011 1:15pm
Purdue had 1 player drafted.
Penn State had 2.
Michigan State had 2.
Penn State had 2.
Michigan State had 2.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Sep 5, 2011 1:16pm
If only Boise could run the gauntlet of Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue, and Illinois... then they would really be taken seriously.lhslep134;883918 wrote: The original argument is Boise doesn't play a conference gauntlet so OBVIOUSLY my argument is a top-to-bottom conference one.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 5, 2011 1:17pm
FIFYkaren lotz;883927 wrote:Purdue had 1 player drafted. 1st rounder
Penn State had 2. including a 2nd rounder
Michigan State had 2.
For the record, Karen, that 1st rounder from Purdue is the sole reason they beat OSU 2 years ago. 9 tackles, 4 tfl, 3 sacks, 2 FF.
And who exactly does Boise play like that? No one.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 5, 2011 1:18pm
2 teams who have knocked off a BCS team in the past 4 years.jordo212000;883928 wrote:Purdue, and Illinois... then they would really be taken seriously.
What teams on Boise's schedule have knocked off a team going to the BCS in that timeframe?
You're so naive it's hilarious I'm done arguing. You guys have yet to bring up a valid counter-argument, just keep talking in circles.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Sep 5, 2011 1:18pm
The bulk of those guys come from 1-2 schools in each conference. What percentage comes from Ohio State and Michigan in the Big 10? We all know that Indiana, Minnesota, and Michigan State haven't been sending them (see above)lhslep134;883923 wrote:Minnesota and Indiana are not my original argument, or even my main one.
Karen, in simpleton terms for you:
Boise doesn't play a top to bottom conference gauntlet, against dozens of NFL players (25+), like BCS schools do. What is your counter to that?!
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 5, 2011 1:18pm
The WAC had 6 players taken in the first 3 rounds. LOL at having everything you say shot down. Try another angle.lhslep134;883926 wrote:How many in the 1st round? How many in the 2nd round? How many in the 3rd? 1 total? LOL
Big 10 had 9 in that span.
If you're using 6th and 7th round picks as your argument, then you are really struggling to be taken seriously LOL.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Sep 5, 2011 1:19pm
Playing Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska and Michigan isn't a gauntlet...? Now you just look like an idiot.jordo212000;883928 wrote:If only Boise could run the gauntlet of Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue, and Illinois... then they would really be taken seriously.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Sep 5, 2011 1:23pm
repsytownfootball;883937 wrote:Playing Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska and Michigan isn't a gauntlet...?.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 5, 2011 1:24pm
Who is talking in circles? You go from talking about middling teams, to top to bottom, to players drafted, to players drafted less than 8 years ago, to players drafted in the first 3 rounds to now teams that knocked off BCS Bowl teams. You also have said numerous times there is no counter argument to be made. Its easy to claim that when the argument is constantly changing.lhslep134;883933 wrote:2 teams who have knocked off a BCS team in the past 4 years.
What teams on Boise's schedule have knocked off a team going to the BCS in that timeframe?
You're so naive it's hilarious I'm done arguing. You guys have yet to bring up a valid counter-argument, just keep talking in circles.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Sep 5, 2011 1:25pm
No, the overall feeling is that somebody who plays in the Big 10 plays a mythic schedule filled with great teams and dominant defenses, but at least 1/3 of the conference is putrid. Another 2-3 schools are occasionally putrid and it leaves you with a handful of solid teams.ytownfootball;883937 wrote:Playing Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska and Michigan isn't a gauntlet...? Now you just look like an idiot.
Penn State has shown just how much you should take them seriously on a national stage each year. They get their pants taken down every time they play somebody good who is from outside the Big 10.
The point remains that the MountainWest doesn't lag as far behind the Big 10 as some might like to think
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 5, 2011 1:26pm
ytownfootball;883937 wrote:Playing Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska and Michigan isn't a gauntlet...? Now you just look like an idiot.
No one said playing those teams wasn't a tough stretch. One of lhs' stances is top to bottom the Big Ten is a gauntlet. Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue is not a part of that. If he is going to say top to bottom, then you have to include top to bottom.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Sep 5, 2011 1:26pm
Jesus...quoted just for the lulz.jordo212000;883941 wrote:No, the overall feeling is that somebody who plays in the Big 10 plays a mythic schedule filled with great teams and dominant defenses, but at least 1/3 of the conference is putrid. Another 2-3 schools are occasionally putrid and it leaves you with a handful of solid teams.
Penn State has shown just how much you should take them seriously on a national stage each year. They get their pants taken down every time they play somebody good who is from outside the Big 10.
The point remains that the MountainWest doesn't lag as far behind the Big 10 as some might like to think
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Sep 5, 2011 1:27pm
But NONE of the MWC is...that's the pointkaren lotz;883942 wrote:No one said playing those teams wasn't a tough stretch. One of lhs' stances is top to bottom the Big Ten is a gauntlet. Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue is not a part of that. If he is going to say top to bottom, then you have to include top to bottom.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 5, 2011 1:28pm
lhslep134;883926 wrote:How many in the 1st round? How many in the 2nd round? How many in the 3rd? 1 total? LOL
Big 10 had 9 in that span.
If you're using 6th and 7th round picks as your argument, then you are really struggling to be taken seriously LOL.
karen lotz;883935 wrote:The WAC had 6 players taken in the first 3 rounds. LOL at having everything you say shot down. Try another angle.
You haven't responded to my disproving your irrefutable fact yet. Why is that?
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 5, 2011 1:29pm
Again, that's not the point that lhs is making, unless he snuck that one in amongst some of his other trash and I missed it.ytownfootball;883944 wrote:But NONE of the MWC is...that's the point
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Sep 5, 2011 1:31pm
Not attempting to back up anyone here, simply pointing out what I feel to be obvious.karen lotz;883947 wrote:Again, that's not the point that lhs is making, unless he snuck that one in amongst some of his other trash and I missed it.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 5, 2011 1:36pm
Read page 2. All that needs to be said.karen lotz;883947 wrote:Again, that's not the point that lhs is making, unless he snuck that one in amongst some of his other trash and I missed it.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 5, 2011 1:37pm
Well yeah obviously the Big Ten is a stronger conference than the WAC. That doesn't mean Boise should get credit for what they are doing.ytownfootball;883950 wrote:Not attempting to back up anyone here, simply pointing out what I feel to be obvious.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 5, 2011 1:38pm
I've read the whole thread. You have jumped around from argument to argument and claimed there is no counter argument, to which you have been proven incorrect. Would you agree with that?lhslep134;883954 wrote:Read page 2. All that needs to be said.
Terry_Tate
Posts: 7,606
Sep 5, 2011 1:43pm
The thought I have on all of this is pretty simple. Boise State has elite talent. Kellen Moore is as good of a QB as there is in the country, with the only exception possible being Andrew Luck, but when you only play twice a year against a team that is decent enough to beat you, I'm not sure you deserve to play in the championship game going undefeated over someone who plays 5-6 teams that could beat them and stumbles once. I can understand both sides of the argument, but anyone who thinks Boise really plays a schedule that is almost on par with any Big Ten, Big 12, or SEC team is fooling themselves.