lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 5, 2011 12:46pm
So if this happens, who do they make it over?jordo212000;883872 wrote:If they go undefeated this year I think they make it in.
1 loss SEC champion
Undefeated Stanford
1 loss Big 10 team
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 5, 2011 12:48pm
And before people jump on that and say Idaho isn't in Boise's conference anymore.
Wyoming has same number, 6. Fresno State has 16. San Diego State has 11. TCU 13.
Wyoming has same number, 6. Fresno State has 16. San Diego State has 11. TCU 13.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Sep 5, 2011 12:49pm
Stanford? hahalhslep134;883873 wrote:So if this happens, who do they make it over?
1 loss SEC champion
Undefeated Stanford
1 loss Big 10 team
We'll have to see how the season shakes out, but I firmly believe that if they go undefeated, they'll make it to the National Title this year
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 5, 2011 12:50pm
Colorado State 9.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 5, 2011 12:50pm
karen lotz;883870 wrote:Idaho has the same number of players in the NFL as Minnesota and 1 less than Indiana.
Yeah, a punter, 3rd string QB, 4th string WR, and a backup guard.
1 starter, Iupati.
Players are clearly better in BCS conferences, which the argument I'm making, to which there is no counter argument. The statistics are ALL in my favor.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 5, 2011 12:51pm
Then be firm in your opinion. You think they make it over an undefeated Pac-12 team? Or a 1 loss BCS conference school? To that I say you're crazy.jordo212000;883878 wrote:Stanford? haha
We'll have to see how the season shakes out, but I firmly believe that if they go undefeated, they'll make it to the National Title this year
The BCS will make sure that doesn't happen, fair or not. Like I said, man up and don't be afraid to play at the big boys.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Sep 5, 2011 12:51pm
and I firmly believe that if that happens it will based on sympathy, soccer mom mentality or the wussification factor, whatever you want to call it.jordo212000;883878 wrote:Stanford? haha
We'll have to see how the season shakes out, but I firmly believe that if they go undefeated, they'll make it to the National Title this year
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Sep 5, 2011 12:52pm
Except that so far, multiple teams that Boise plays has more guys in the NFL than the two teams you cited in your argument. hahalhslep134;883880 wrote:Yeah, a punter, 3rd string QB, 4th string WR, and a backup guard.
1 starter, Iupati.
Players are clearly better in BCS conferences, which the argument I'm making, to which there is no counter argument. The statistics are ALL in my favor.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 5, 2011 12:53pm
No, you said even the bad teams in BCS conferences put more players in the NFL than teams in Boise's conference. You said something about Minnesota and Indiana in comparison and I just gave you a handful of teams that seem to say the statistics are not ALL in your favor.lhslep134;883880 wrote:Yeah, a punter, 3rd string QB, 4th string WR, and a backup guard.
1 starter, Iupati.
Players are clearly better in BCS conferences, which the argument I'm making, to which there is no counter argument. The statistics are ALL in my favor.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Sep 5, 2011 12:53pm
Do you even watch Boise when they play? There is nothing fraudulent about them at all.ytownfootball;883884 wrote:and I firmly believe that if that happens it will based on sympathy, soccer mom mentality or the wussification factor, whatever you want to call it.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 5, 2011 12:54pm
http://forums.nationalchamps.net/boards/showthread.php?t=5229karen lotz;883890 wrote:No, you said even the bad teams in BCS conferences put more players in the NFL than teams in Boise's conference. You said something about Minnesota and Indiana in comparison and I just gave you a handful of teams that seem to say the statistics are not ALL in your favor.
Enough said. Top to bottom it's not even close.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Sep 5, 2011 12:54pm
I already said the same thing. Here comes some backpedalingkaren lotz;883890 wrote:No, you said even the bad teams in BCS conferences put more players in the NFL than teams in Boise's conference. You said something about Minnesota and Indiana in comparison and I just gave you a handful of teams that seem to say the statistics are not ALL in your favor.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Sep 5, 2011 12:54pm
*sigh* Not hard to look good twice a year.jordo212000;883891 wrote:Do you even watch Boise when they play? There is nothing fraudulent about them at all.
I don't think OSU is a title contender because they bitch slapped Akron.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 5, 2011 12:55pm
Boise hasn't played them yet, they didn't play them last year, and those players in the NFL could be from 8 years ago.jordo212000;883887 wrote:Except that so far, multiple teams that Boise plays has more guys in the NFL than the two teams you cited in your argument. haha
Look at who gets sent to the NFL on a yearly basis:
2008:
WAC: 8
Big 10: 29
2009:
WAC: 10
Big 10: 28
2010:
WAC:5
Big 10: 34
2011:
WAC: 16
Big 10: 29
That's not even delving further in 1st round talents which would only bolster my argument.
Please entertain me with a counter...
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Sep 5, 2011 12:56pm
smh that is the average per member. Ohio State, USC, Miami, et al are all going to inflate that number. What about Minnesota and Indiana? What are their numbers compared to Boise's rivals?lhslep134;883892 wrote:http://forums.nationalchamps.net/boards/showthread.php?t=5229
Enough said. Top to bottom it's not even close.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 5, 2011 12:57pm
hmmm top to bottom or on a school by school basis? could you please pick one argument and stick with it?lhslep134;883892 wrote:http://forums.nationalchamps.net/boards/showthread.php?t=5229
Enough said. Top to bottom it's not even close.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Sep 5, 2011 12:58pm
uggh you were the one who brought this up? I know it is a flawed way of looking at it, I even told you so. Yet now I am having fun poking holes in your argument, as is Karenlhslep134;883895 wrote:Boise hasn't played them yet, they didn't play them last year, and those players in the NFL could be from 8 years ago.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 5, 2011 1:00pm
Boise hasn't played them yet, they didn't play them last year, and those players in the NFL could be from 8 years ago.jordo212000;883887 wrote:Except that so far, multiple teams that Boise plays has more guys in the NFL than the two teams you cited in your argument. haha
Look at who gets sent to the NFL on a yearly basis:
2008:
WAC: 8
Big 10: 29
2009:
WAC: 10
Big 10: 28
2010:
WAC:5
Big 10: 34
2011:
WAC: 16
Big 10: 29
That's not even delving further in 1st round talents which would only bolster my argument.
Please entertain me with a counter...
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 5, 2011 1:01pm
lhslep134;883895 wrote:Boise hasn't played them yet, they didn't play them last year, and those players in the NFL could be from 8 years ago.
lol, great point. Players from BCS conferences don't last in the NFL. Is that what you are saying?
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 5, 2011 1:01pm
Does OSU or Boise only play 1 or 2 teams? Or do they play the whole conference. My argument is the conference one.karen lotz;883898 wrote:hmmm top to bottom or on a school by school basis? could you please pick one argument and stick with it?
I didn't bring up Indiana Minnesota, someone else did.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 5, 2011 1:02pm
No, but what relevance is TCU's NFL players if this is the first year Boise is playing them? You need to look at the WAC, where Boise resided the last few years.karen lotz;883904 wrote:lol, great point. Players from BCS conferences don't last in the NFL. Is that what you are saying?
Funny how you could only address the least important part of my post. What about the rest of it? Too much factual proof for ya?
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 5, 2011 1:04pm
Oh, I see.lhslep134;883905 wrote:Does OSU or Boise only play 1 or 2 teams? Or do they play the whole conference. My argument is the conference one.
I didn't bring up Indiana Minnesota, someone else did.
lhslep134;883861 wrote:You're right. The Indiana's and Minnesota's send more players to the NFL than any of Boise's bottom tier conference opponents, so those teams aren't as bad as Indiana or Minnesota, they're worse.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 5, 2011 1:05pm
Please, kind sir, address the rest of my NFL draft post.karen lotz;883910 wrote:Oh, I see.
Oh wait, you don't like addressing the core point of someone's argument that proves you wrong, you only like to look at the periphery, the unimportant stuff.
'nuff said.
Oh and Mulva brought up Minnesota, Indiana, like I said, not me.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Sep 5, 2011 1:06pm
Ok, so once Boise plays and beats the teams that I listed this year with more players in the NFL than Minnesota and Indiana, they will have earned your respect?
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Sep 5, 2011 1:07pm
smh, your original point was that Indiana and Minnesota send more guys to the NFL. Well, we are looking at who Boise plays and multiple teams that they play this year have more players than Minnesota or Indiana.lhslep134;883902 wrote:Boise hasn't played them yet, they didn't play them last year, and those players in the NFL could be from 8 years ago.
Look at who gets sent to the NFL on a yearly basis:
2008:
WAC: 8
Big 10: 29
2009:
WAC: 10
Big 10: 28
2010:
WAC:5
Big 10: 34
2011:
WAC: 16
Big 10: 29
That's not even delving further in 1st round talents which would only bolster my argument.
Please entertain me with a counter...
Now that that has been disproved you keep throwing up the total stats conferencewide. Obviously the Big 10 is going to have many more players go than the Mtn West. Ohio State has sent a ton of guys over the past 10 years. But that wasn't the original argument...