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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Sep 12, 2011 11:23am
After more info has come out, it WAS illegal. Browns had 12 men on the field and, by rule, the other team has to allow the defense to get the men off the field. They didn't. The Bengals quick snapped it and caught the Browns off guard. Gradkowski said after the game "I was looking around the field hoping there were no flags." The Bengals got away with one here.Al Bundy;892390 wrote:Even if it is illegal, you still have to be ready. I still view it is a mental mistake.
All this being said, if the Browns TCB on their missed chances it wouldn't have come down to a fluke play.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Sep 12, 2011 4:18pm
I think the Browns only get 5 wins this year. They didn't play well, but they didn't play terrible either and still lost to the Bengals(who are a 3-4 win team this year).
Terry_Tate
Posts: 7,606
Sep 12, 2011 6:15pm
http://www.foxsportsohio.com/09/12/11/Bengals-TD-Not-illegal-but-totally-botch/landing_browns.html?blockID=563683&feedID=3997BR1986FB;893103 wrote:After more info has come out, it WAS illegal. Browns had 12 men on the field and, by rule, the other team has to allow the defense to get the men off the field. They didn't. The Bengals quick snapped it and caught the Browns off guard. Gradkowski said after the game "I was looking around the field hoping there were no flags." The Bengals got away with one here.
All this being said, if the Browns TCB on their missed chances it wouldn't have come down to a fluke play.
Actually, after more info has come out it was a legal play. The Browns had 12 men on the field because they had no idea what was going on.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Sep 13, 2011 1:59pm
bottom line, this play was squarely on ShurmurTerry_Tate;893501 wrote:http://www.foxsportsohio.com/09/12/11/Bengals-TD-Not-illegal-but-totally-botch/landing_browns.html?blockID=563683&feedID=3997
Actually, after more info has come out it was a legal play. The Browns had 12 men on the field because they had no idea what was going on.
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Scarlet_Fever
Posts: 736
Sep 13, 2011 4:43pm
Oh yeah I forgot about that rule. "12 men on the field on the defense but the penalty will be assused to the offense for not allowing the defense to get ready" I see that all the timeBR1986FB;893103 wrote:After more info has come out, it WAS illegal. Browns had 12 men on the field and, by rule, the other team has to allow the defense to get the men off the field. They didn't.
Terry_Tate
Posts: 7,606
Sep 13, 2011 6:05pm
Yep, and the defensive coaches. Read a few articles that nobody on defense had any idea what was going on and they were waiting for the call. Ridiculous how unprepared they were.vball10set;894500 wrote:bottom line, this play was squarely on Shurmur
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lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Sep 13, 2011 6:24pm
FWIW last night the Broncos were caught completely out of position near the goal line, and John Fox called timeout. Shurmer could have easily done the same thing.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Sep 13, 2011 6:29pm
lhslep134;894890 wrote:FWIW last night the Broncos were caught completely out of position near the goal line, and John Fox called timeout. Shurmer could have easily done the same thing.
Agreed. A coach who has been around the league awhile V.S. a rookie head coach in his first game worrying about what should be his next offensive play call.
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coach_bob1
Posts: 130
Sep 17, 2011 9:31am
They Bengals snapped the ball with 14 seconds left on the play clock, meaning the Browns had time to make substitutions. Legal playBR1986FB;892370 wrote:Apparently Shurmur WAS right. The TD catch by AJ Green WAS illegal but the dumbass (Shurmur) should've challenged it or something. I thought he was just whining...
From the NFL.com Digest of Rules
" "With the exception of the last two minutes of either half, the offensive team, while in the process of substitution or simulated substitution, is prohibited from rushing quickly to the line and snapping the ball with the obvious attempt to cause a defensive foul; i.e., too many men on the field. "