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Sep 9, 2011 2:02 PM
Iliketurtles;888718 wrote:Haha Idk if he bet but I did put 100 on Akron and lost. I ended up 750 on the day though.
Gotta love week 1. Easiest money of the year.
Sep 9, 2011 2:02pm
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Sep 9, 2011 2:49 PM
Mulva;889048 wrote:Gotta love week 1. Easiest money of the year.
Agreed my favorite one was taking Fordham at +41 against UConn... UConn only scored 35 points LOL!
Sep 9, 2011 2:49pm
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Sep 9, 2011 5:32 PM
Guess these players are suspended for the Toledo game too...
Sep 9, 2011 5:32pm
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Sep 9, 2011 5:44 PM
Lori Schmidt (LoriSchmidt):
Here's the NCAA's statement about Howard, Hall and Brown: http://t.co/6ouCDS0


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Sep 9, 2011 5:44pm
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Sep 9, 2011 5:46 PM
The NCAA is investigating at least 12 current Miami players (along with about 60 other former players) and it only takes them a few days to determine the length of suspensions for those current players.

Sharrif Floyd received $2400 in improper benefits and gets only a two game suspension.

These guys took about $200 a piece, and end up getting suspended for two games because it takes the NCAA over a week to make decision on reinstatement.


Honestly, WTF is the NCAA doing?
Sep 9, 2011 5:46pm
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Sep 9, 2011 5:56 PM
This is kind of absurd if the NCAA is just dragging their feet.
Sep 9, 2011 5:56pm
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Sep 9, 2011 5:58 PM
This is what the official statement from the NCAA says:
Contrary to recent media reports, Ohio State football student-athletes Corey Brown, Jordan Hall and Travis Howard are not cleared to compete in the game on Saturday with Toledo.


The nature and scope of their violations merit a minimum two-game suspension.


In addition, the facts submitted by the university have raised further questions that need to be answered before the reinstatement process is complete.


The Buckeyes have gone 32,844 days since their last loss to a backyard opponent.


Suspensions, NCAA investigations, a vacated season, a deposed coach and a departed quarterback have stung Ohio State. But by virtue of Saturday's 42-0 beatdown of Akron, and the overwhelming popularity of the scarlet and gray, the Buckeyes continue to maintain their in-state dominance within Ohio's borders.


The Buckeyes are 42-0-1 against their closest neighbors since their last loss, a 7-6 setback to Oberlin during native son Warren Harding's administration back in 1921.
WTF?
Sep 9, 2011 5:58pm
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Sep 9, 2011 6:04 PM
this is the NCAAs statement.
Contrary to recent media reports, Ohio State football student-athletes Corey Brown, Jordan Hall and Travis Howard are not cleared to compete in the game on Saturday with University of Toledo. The nature and scope of their violations merit a minimum two-game suspension. In addition, the facts submitted by the university have raised further questions that need to be answered before the reinstatement process is complete.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2011/september/ncaa+statement+on+ineligible+ohio+state+football+student-athletes
Sep 9, 2011 6:04pm
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Sep 9, 2011 6:08 PM
And the facts submitted by OSU that raise further concern could be the names of the people that actually handed the money to the players. If those people are boosters, the NCAA probably wants to look into their relationship with the OSU program. Boosters that think its ok to give athletes any amount of money in an envelop need to be looked at. Would you rather have the players sitting out these early games and then being able to play later in the season, or have them play now only to be ruled ineligible at a later date and have to vacate more wins?
Sep 9, 2011 6:08pm
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Sep 9, 2011 6:27 PM
Dumb. I get tired of people constantly whining about penalties other schools receive and comparing us to them. That makes my head want to explode. These guys are grade 1 knuckleheads. I can't believe they took money after all of this stuff has gone down. They should have suspended them for a lengthy amount of time just for being so stupid and selfish.

I could care less if any of these guys ever play again at Ohio State. We have enough talent to replace them and we have enough other guys who can go more than one day without taking money from somebody.
Sep 9, 2011 6:27pm
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Sep 9, 2011 6:29 PM
karen lotz;889316 wrote:And the facts submitted by OSU that raise further concern could be the names of the people that actually handed the money to the players. If those people are boosters, the NCAA probably wants to look into their relationship with the OSU program. Boosters that think its ok to give athletes any amount of money in an envelop need to be looked at. Would you rather have the players sitting out these early games and then being able to play later in the season, or have them play now only to be ruled ineligible at a later date and have to vacate more wins?
I'd rather the NCAA be consistent in how long it reviews cases and the punishment it doles out. It's neither. Looking at those two other cases, OSU is getting the shaft here; I don't see how a reasoned person can view it any other way.

You give a player only 2 of a 4 game suspension because he's poor? WTF does that have to do with breaking the fucking rules? Nothing. It's either illegal or it's not; the penalties are consistent or their not.

You are able to go through a complex case like Miami involving nearly 20 players (or more) in only a few days and come back with a definite number of suspensions with no problem -- but OSU has 3 players take $200 bucks and all of a sudden it takes several weeks?

This is a screw job by an inept organization that I dearly hope gets kicked to the curb by all the major players who bring in all that money for them.

I'll end this by saying one more thing: If any of the OSU players lied and that's why this is being dragged out, I want that player or players kicked off the team.
Sep 9, 2011 6:29pm
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Sep 9, 2011 11:12 PM
I don't get why Gene Smith still works for tOSU.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6948979/suspended-ohio-state-buckeyes-players-jordan-hall-travis-howard-corey-brown-play-toledo

Friday's announcement wasn't a complete surprise: both coach Luke Fickell and athletic director Gene Smith hedged a bit earlier this week when asked about the players' availability for Toledo.
"Technically, based on NCAA case precedence, we anticipate the NCAA reinstatement staff will reinstate them this week," Smith told the AP in an email.
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shouldn't this tie in with a much discussed letter from NCAA before the meeting they had?
Sep 9, 2011 11:12pm
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Sep 9, 2011 11:24 PM
Speedofsand;889574 wrote:I don't get why Gene Smith still works for tOSU.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6948979/suspended-ohio-state-buckeyes-players-jordan-hall-travis-howard-corey-brown-play-toledo

Friday's announcement wasn't a complete surprise: both coach Luke Fickell and athletic director Gene Smith hedged a bit earlier this week when asked about the players' availability for Toledo.
"Technically, based on NCAA case precedence, we anticipate the NCAA reinstatement staff will reinstate them this week," Smith told the AP in an email.
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shouldn't this tie in with a much discussed letter from NCAA before the meeting they had?
Smith is inept. Ask most OSU fans and they'll have told you that a while ago. He's proving it very decisively with this screw up -- and yes, saying ANYTHING about the status of players before you've actually got it in hand is a screw up.

What letter? This is something that happened in February and was just found out in late August and then reported. It's not part of the tattoo stuff.
Sep 9, 2011 11:24pm
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Sep 10, 2011 8:26 AM
How is Gene inept? He wanted to fire Tressel in January but University would not let him. His comments about the charity three were based on the Miami players getting one game for much larger violations.

Gene could have cut men's sports programs to be compliant with title IX but he help to create an atmosphere in which the university added women's programs instead.

Ohio State runs around like that small town kid whose dad is the town doctor, "You know who my dad is?" How about having Gee higher another one of his fraternity brothers or another 70 year old to "lead the university" while they allow another good leader to go elsewhere because the university is too stupid to recognize the good employees from the failures they have been bringing in to top managment positions. It really helps to get a promotion or a job if you are an older white guy. Thats all I'll say about that.

The last paragraph is not aimed at coaches or has anything to do about sports. It is about how poorly the university is run from the top down.
Sep 10, 2011 8:26am
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Sep 10, 2011 8:28 AM
Ed O'Bannon is quickly becoming my favorite athlete of all time.
Sep 10, 2011 8:28am
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Sep 10, 2011 8:41 AM
I could care less if any of these guys ever play again at Ohio State. We have enough talent to replace them and we have enough other guys who can go more than one day without taking money from somebody.
I agree.These guys should be suspended for stupidity or maybe they just don't care. Enough is enough.
Sep 10, 2011 8:41am
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Sep 10, 2011 9:34 AM
Prescott;889770 wrote:I agree.These guys should be suspended for stupidity or maybe they just don't care. Enough is enough.
Un-freaking-believable that these guys had the guts to stick their hand out after everything that has happened. That alone tells me that the possible punishment for this sort of thing is not enough. Everybody has a risk-reward calculator internally. These guys thought that even if they got caught, the consequences were not great enough to dissuade them from sticking the money in their pockets.
Sep 10, 2011 9:34am
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Sep 10, 2011 9:37 AM
mella;889761 wrote:It really helps to get a promotion or a job if you are an older white guy. Thats all I'll say about that.
Right, because employment quotas heavily favor white people. Stop crying.
Sep 10, 2011 9:37am
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Sep 10, 2011 6:28 PM
sleeper;889801 wrote:Right, because employment quotas heavily favor white people. Stop crying.
I am not crying. I am stating a fact about a specific university. I know a few women and black men that were OSU employees ( upper management and deans)that have been passed over at OSU only to see an external white male candidate be hired for higher salaries. Fortunately, these people have been hired by other universities. Don't think your over 5,000 posts makes you an expert on everything. Sometimes you need to STFU and understand that other people know what they are talking about.

The OSU has done a very poor job of retaining talented people while bringing in older white men to fill jobs.
Sep 10, 2011 6:28pm
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Sep 10, 2011 7:02 PM
Swear I saw a blurb on the ticker that said these guys aren't likely to be cleared for the Miami game?
Sep 10, 2011 7:02pm
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Sep 10, 2011 7:17 PM
mella;890581 wrote:I am not crying. I am stating a fact about a specific university. I know a few women and black men that were OSU employees ( upper management and deans)that have been passed over at OSU only to see an external white male candidate be hired for higher salaries. Fortunately, these people have been hired by other universities. Don't think your over 5,000 posts makes you an expert on everything. Sometimes you need to STFU and understand that other people know what they are talking about.

The OSU has done a very poor job of retaining talented people while bringing in older white men to fill jobs.
Cool. Tell those people to file a lawsuit and lose.
Sep 10, 2011 7:17pm
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Sep 10, 2011 8:27 PM
mella;890581 wrote:I am not crying. I am stating a fact about a specific university. I know a few women and black men that were OSU employees ( upper management and deans)that have been passed over at OSU only to see an external white male candidate be hired for higher salaries.
This sounds to me like, "waaa, my friend didn't get a job she wanted so it must be because she's a woman" and "waaa, my friend didn't get a job he wanted so it must be because he's black."
Sep 10, 2011 8:27pm
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Sep 10, 2011 8:30 PM
enigmaax;890735 wrote:This sounds to me like, "waaa, my friend didn't get a job she wanted so it must be because she's a woman" and "waaa, my friend didn't get a job he wanted so it must be because he's black."
My thoughts exactly.
Sep 10, 2011 8:30pm
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Sep 11, 2011 12:01 AM
Gene Smith is an idiot. He's inept. He needs to be fired. Look at this article and his quotes: in it he admits screwing up how he handled the case of these three, and now (last paragraph) he's publicly conceding that OSU is a repeat violator and could get a harsher penalty -- when he has adamantly stated in the past that he did not feel this was the case.

Even if he's changed his mind -- you do NOT go around stating this stuff in public.

He screwed the pooch big time on how he handled these three players, then he screwed up big time by letting his coach think they'd be eligible, so they practiced all week instead of the people who ended up playing the game.

Screw up after screw up.

I want him fired.

And Smith had ZERO to do with the size of the athletic department and Title IX. That was Andy Geiger who expanded everything and upgraded all the facilities. Smith has been nothing but a very poor caretaker of what Geiger accomplished.

Here's a c&p of the article.

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Ohio State must answer several questions from the NCAA before three players suspended for accepting $200 in cash at a charity event are allowed to return to the team.
Athletic director Gene Smith said Saturday he did not know if the three -- starting tailbackJordan Hall, cornerback Travis Howard and backup safety Corey Brown -- would be cleared to play at Miami on Sept. 17.

"No, I'm not confident," he told The Associated Press before the 15th-ranked Buckeyes hosted Toledo. "We do have to provide some more information to the NCAA. We'll start that process tomorrow. We've got some meetings tomorrow and Monday, and we'll get them the additional information they want and then go from there."

Ohio State interim coach Luke Fickell said earlier this week the three would be available to play against Toledo. But the university and NCAA issued statements on Friday saying the players had not been reinstated.
Smith said it was all a misunderstanding.

"Luke was just like me. We were both optimistic based upon precedents that they should be reinstated," he said. "But the NCAA felt that they deserved a (longer) penalty. We were surprised. We disagreed with them. But at the end of the day when I listened to them I kind of understood their rationale."
He said the NCAA would provide its questions on Monday about the case involving those three players.

Smith also said he did not believe the latest suspensions will add to the penalties Ohio State will receive for separate NCAA violations stemming from players trading memorabilia for cash and tattoos. That scandal led to several top players being suspended for the first five games this fall, the forced resignation of 10-year coach Jim Tressel and months of investigation and scrutiny of the Buckeyes' athletic program.

"No, it's kind of a separate issue," he said of the case, which the NCAA's committee on infractions heard on Aug. 12. "What we want to do is deal with this issue (involving the latest three suspended players), get it behind us, and move on and finish up the other issues."

Smith said in all of the suspensions, Ohio State and the compliance department were victimized by players who made mistakes on their own.
"We basically had individuals who stepped outside of our system and made individual decisions," he said.

Ohio State anticipates getting its final sanctions from the NCAA sometime this fall, any time from later this month to mid-November.
Smith said he remained troubled by the wild card in the Ohio State-NCAA situation. Due to violations which occurred in the men's basketball program under then-coach Jim O'Brien, the violations earlier this year came when Ohio State was already on NCAA probation.

Many observers have said the NCAA could hand down a postseason bowl ban in addition to Ohio State's self-imposed penalties (vacating the 2010 season, paying back bowl money and going on two years of probation).

"The thing that I've always shared and was a concern of mine (is) that if they did a postseason ban, and I don't think our case merits that," Smith said. "But because we're a repeat violator they can do anything they want."
Sep 11, 2011 12:01am
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Sep 11, 2011 8:27 AM
enigmaax;890735 wrote:This sounds to me like, "waaa, my friend didn't get a job she wanted so it must be because she's a woman" and "waaa, my friend didn't get a job he wanted so it must be because he's black."
Not at all. They have all moved on to better paying jobs at different universities. OSU is a very good school and if they decide to quit the old boys club they could be better.
Sep 11, 2011 8:27am