I saw a report a while back that said the money trail from Lowder led to a coaltion of black churches tied to Cam's dad. Old news. They just can't prove it. Just one man's word vs. another.

God dammit. Just as Sheridan was about to rip into Finebaum ads started playing on the online media player. Either that or Finebaum cut him off.

LJ;865516 wrote:Pretty sure the first solicitation was 300k, then ended up getting 180k from Auburn

Ah, could be. I thought it was set at $180k for Mississippi State.

Posted a list on the other thread, but if the players get suspended their defense is essentially gone.

Scarlet_Buckeye;865488 wrote:What do you mean nothing has been proven? It has been proven that Cam's father solicited Cam's services for $300,000. That part is fact! The part that has yet to be proven is that someone has actually PAID that amount.

Regardless, read the bottom part... the SEC hasn't be in any trouble, at least not in the magnitude of other conferences, in the last few years So Cam's father solicited for his services for whatever amount... what school, if any, was punnished for this? That is what I meant.

That investigation is still going on.

ESPN may be late to the party....but they're all over it now. They'll probably spend all of tomorrow's College Football Live talking about this again (as they should).

karen lotz;865547 wrote:That investigation is still going on.

Yes, I know that! The only thing proven has been Newton's dad soliciting for his services, which currently hasn't placed any school associated with the situation in any trouble. WOW! You people are impossible today.

dat dude;865435 wrote:FWIW, Sheridan is set to release the "bag man" and witness to the cash transfer in about 30 minutes.

Will be interesting to see that (I'll have to read about here probably). All I had heard previously was that he tried to get $180K from Miss State.

OhioStatePride2003;865451 wrote:The statue of limitations is four years, I believe that's what they said on Mike & Mike this morning. However, if they have reason to believe there has been continuous violations then the NCAA can can go ahead and investigate as far back as they need too. So with the statue of limitations in place, they can investigate back to '07 (or '06 if it is five years). But if they think that this whole scandal has gone on longer than those statue of limitations, then they can keep digging until the trail runs cold. At least that's how I understood it.

They also said that they could potentially view Miami as a repeat offender, which would automatically open up the possibility of the death penalty.

I know the statute of limitations is four years, but to be eligible for the death penalty or considered a repeat offender, I believe you have to have two separate major violation punishments within a five year period (from the date the punishment for #1 is handed out to the date of the initiation of violation #2). Even though all this stuff happened over a 9-10 year period, it will all be treated as one "incident" (can't remember the NCAA term for it). LOIC is a given, the death penalty will never be on the table if I'm correct.

Speedofsand;865480 wrote:The new Miami investigation could go back to the days they were still on probation for a Pell grant scandal in the mid-late 90s.
LOIC is in play, I doubt the death penalty will come.

That would make it close - if the probationary period is actually a milestone date (as opposed to the date the punishment is handed out). They got hit with that in 95, not sure how long the probation lasted.

enigmaax;865571 wrote:Will be interesting to see that (I'll have to read about here probably). All I had heard previously was that he tried to get $180K from Miss State.

Sheridan didn't give the name of the bag man. He said he has multiple sources in the NCAA and a few friends of people in the NCAA that have given him the name.

We'll never see the death penalty again. They gave it to a deserving SMU, and then felt bad about it. The NCAA is weak.

and everyone knows it.

Every one of Jim Rome's opening burns were about Da U. I must've missed it before but KII wrecked one of Shapiro's yachts?!?!?!? Can that dude drive anything without crashing????

karen lotz;865585 wrote:Sheridan didn't give the name of the bag man. He said he has multiple sources in the NCAA and a few friends of people in the NCAA that have given him the name.

Jimmy Rayne or Freddy Weygand, but they don't have to answer to the NCAA.

WebFire;865588 wrote:We'll never see the death penalty again. They gave it to a deserving SMU, and then felt bad about it. The NCAA is weak.

I wouldn't say they are weak, more like incompetent. I don't know how anyone can sit there and say what the NCAA will or won't do. They're pretty unpredictable.

I thought I read where Hester crashed a jet ski costing Shapiro 8 or 9 grand. Obviously that's nothing to Shapiro, just thought it was hilaroius picturing Hester going up to Shapiro like "uhh, yo, I fucked up ur ski" would love to see Shapiro's SMH face.

Apparently Frank Heath knew about all this:

Frank Haith, in response to a YahooSports.com article where a Miami booster, Nevin Shapiro, accuses Haith of thanking him for paying basketball recruit, DeQuan Jones $10,000, in an official statement from Mizzou
GH: As the former head basketball coach at Miami and apparently an acquaintance of Shapiro, Haith looks bad in the YahooSports.com. Word is there are over 80 text and phone messages between Haith and Shapiro. Strip club visits together. Paying recruits. All bad.

“Shapiro told Yahoo Sports he paid $10,000 to help secure the commitment of Jones, who is now a senior at Miami, with that transaction “set up by assistant coach Jake Morton in 2007

Shapiro alleged (Miami assistant coach) Morton ‘acted as the conduit for the funds,’ and that knowledge of the payment ‘was later acknowledged by head coach Frank Haith in a one-on-one conversation.’ ”

http://greghallkc.com/?p=534

OhioStatePride2003;865626 wrote:I wouldn't say they are weak, more like incompetent. I don't know how anyone can sit there and say what the NCAA will or won't do. They're pretty unpredictable.

Well no one can say they know. It's all opinion and speculation. Surely you know that.

So I rephrase, " I do not think we'll ever see the death penalty again."

WebFire;865692 wrote:Well no one can say they know. It's all opinion and speculation. Surely you know that.

So I rephrase, " I do not think we'll ever see the death penalty again."

And this I would agree with. Too much money involved for them to do this in this day and age. But they could certainly bring a program to its knees if they choose to.

centralbucksfan;865705 wrote:And this I would agree with. Too much money involved for them to do this in this day and age. But they could certainly bring a program to its knees if they choose to.

I'd like to see severe scholly reductions and major bowl bans if all this Miami stuff can be proven.

vball10set;863147 wrote:come on, Toby--that's weak...here you go

I think this applies to all of college football .. It may deflect some attention away from OSU ,but Im totally depressed about college football . I love college football

Well, this will make their trip to College Park on September 5 really, really interesting. Awesome, I'm heading to the game. Not a surprise really, just shocking to see how deep it could be.
I don't see the death penalty, but a lengthy bowl ban.

I don't think we'll ever see the death penalty given out, for any program. Until they put pernalties on coaches and AD's; penalties that are written into the rule book, and are based upon the seriousness of the infraction, this crap will never stop. The gains are just way too great when weighed against the penalties, that coaches and administrators are willing to take the risk of bending or breaking rules.

se-alum;864416 wrote:And a touch of irony to add:

Worth keeping in mind, Paul Dee, who was head of NCAA Infractions Comm when it hammered USC, was Miami's AD. Said USC "should have known."

Also ironic, the August 22nd edition of ESPN the magazine (I know, garbage magazine horrible journalism etc) has a story about Gordon Gee and the failed joke response about hoping "Tressel doesn't fire him". A little excerpt:

The meal turned out to be an NCAA violation - one of many minor ones Gee commits each year. "I'm more self-reported than any president in the country," he quips.

Again, others might not laugh. At Miami, president Donna Shalala personally hires each coach. She studies the NCAA rulebook and weekly compliance reports. During football games, she scours the sidelines for suspicious guests. "I'm on alert all the time," she says.

Derp.