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enigmaax
Posts: 4,511
Aug 14, 2011 8:55pm
El Jefe Grande;862443 wrote: TCU would win their fair share of games in the Big 12, and currently recruit head-to-head.
Fair share as in, middle to bottom of the pack most of the time? But back to your original point, why does the Big XII-II "need" TCU?
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 14, 2011 11:23pm
jordo212000;862273 wrote:You haven't been paying attention if you think Kansas is a major target for the Big 10. If they are going to add schools, they are going to add teams that can contribute in football first. Just look back at this past time. Missouri was a target and Kansas was not. There were alot of nervous people in Kansas.
Why else would the PAC 10 choose Utah? Haha. It's about football
Look no one is saying KU is the Big Ten's first choice. Even I concede it's not the greatest get as a conference. But they do fit in academically, have a national brand, and can bring in a new market for the conference--which is basically the purpose of this realignment talk. My point is if you need to add 4 teams, they are certainly in contention.
dazedconfused
Posts: 2,662
Aug 14, 2011 11:24pm
karen lotz;862165 wrote:Could just be the SEC dragging their feet until they find a 2nd school to join with A&M.
i'd buy this argument. there just isn't a pressing need for a team besides a&m and the sec isn't going to go with 13. also, big ten should snag missouri
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Aug 14, 2011 11:29pm
El Jefe Grande;862407 wrote:The Longhorns finished 5-7 last season with their stellar recruiting classes.
TCU won the Rose Bowl.
Good point. I think TCU could compete in any conference, including the SEC. Things evolve over time. And last year, TCU would have annihilated Texas and all their big star recruits.
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enigmaax
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Aug 14, 2011 11:39pm
Sykotyk
Posts: 1,155
Aug 15, 2011 4:01am
enigmaax, my contention with the SEC announcement that they're simply waiting for formalities and to secure a fourteenth team to make it easier for the schedule next year (an odd number of teams would decimate every member's schedule because another week in the conference schedule would be needed and a lot of non-conf games would be lost/reworked/etc).
Texas A&M wouldn't be talking openly if there wasn't a VERY good chance of them joining the SEC. They're not Missouri who whored themselves out to the B1G but got left at the alter.
Texas A&M wouldn't be talking openly if there wasn't a VERY good chance of them joining the SEC. They're not Missouri who whored themselves out to the B1G but got left at the alter.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Aug 15, 2011 5:08am
Don't know if this link has been posted but here's a College Football News take on upcoming Super Conferences: http://cfn.scout.com/2/1095821.html
Another opinion: http://cfn.scout.com/2/1095334.html
The Big Ten
Leaders
Indiana, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State, Pitt, Purdue, Rutgers, Syracuse, Wisconsin
Legends
Illinois, Iowa, Iowa State, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, Northwestern
The rumors will keep swirling about Missouri going to the SEC, but the Big Ten will pounce to give Illinois a natural geographic rival. And then the big fish will be reeled in. Notre Dame will make a big stink about possibly going to the Pac-18 or the SEC, but academically and geographically, the pressure will be too much to not join the Big Ten. The appeasement will be getting put in the same division as Indiana, Purdue, Pitt, Rutgers, and Syracuse, keeping some semblance of the Big East basketball world intact.
The BTN wants TV markets, and it’ll snap up Rutgers and Syracuse to go along with Pitt, creating a whale of a rivalry date with Penn State.
No one really wants Iowa State, and it’s not a great fit for the Big Ten, but it’ll be an easy fit in the same division as Iowa, Minnesota, and Missouri.
Another opinion: http://cfn.scout.com/2/1095334.html
Big Ten - What It Is
Leaders – Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Wisconsin
Legends – Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern
The 2014 Version Will Probably Be …
Leaders – Indiana, Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Pitt, Purdue, Rutgers, Syracuse
Legends – Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
The Big Ten wanted Texas, but that was never going to happen with the Longhorn Network in the works. The BTN is going to be a cash machine if the right ad markets are added to the mix, and New York is the right ad market. Connecticut will be in the discussions, but there’s no need for the Huskies if the Big Ten can get a few other key Big East schools. The idea of bringing in Pitt didn't seem to matter before, considering the league already owns Pennsylvania with Penn State, but with Missouri likely off to the SEC, and with no interest in Iowa State or Kansas, getting Pitt gets another decent market while setting up some nice rivalry games. Rutgers and Syracuse will bring in New York City, Buffalo, and everywhere in between, and Maryland expands the TV reach to Baltimore and Washington D.C. Illinois and Wisconsin will move over from the Leaders Division with the Illini being paired with Northwestern and the Badgers having a natural tie-in with Iowa, Minnesota, and Nebraska.
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enigmaax
Posts: 4,511
Aug 15, 2011 8:20am
That makes sense. I can't imagine they'd want to paint themselves into a corner of just having to take someone to fill a spot. So unless they'd agreed and received a commitment from a 14th team, the smart move is to hold off.Sykotyk;862650 wrote:enigmaax, my contention with the SEC announcement that they're simply waiting for formalities and to secure a fourteenth team to make it easier for the schedule next year (an odd number of teams would decimate every member's schedule because another week in the conference schedule would be needed and a lot of non-conf games would be lost/reworked/etc).
That's the thing - it isn't as though a school hasn't made themselves look like idiots in the recent past. You would think a school would be smarter, but TAM is pissed off and could have just been spouting off a little too soon.Texas A&M wouldn't be talking openly if there wasn't a VERY good chance of them joining the SEC. They're not Missouri who whored themselves out to the B1G but got left at the alter.
darbypitcher22
Posts: 8,000
Aug 15, 2011 8:38am
I can see what makes sense there but I don't see the Big East crumbling and breaking down into another league without some sort of a fight, considering they just expanded by adding TCU as well
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Aug 15, 2011 12:10pm
I heard Texas was taking shots at A&M for exploring a move to better its situation. I got a good laugh at that. I mean, hello, did Texas already forget that they were one of the main movers and shakers during the past expansion talks? They basically forced the Big 12 to let them get what they wanted by telling them that they would leave. The hypocrisy is outstanding.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 15, 2011 8:54pm
Rumor out of Austin is that Texas is trying to recruit Notre Dame to come to the Big 12...lol good luck with that, Texas.
Fab1b
Posts: 12,949
Aug 15, 2011 9:01pm
I updated the thread title as you all can see
karen lotz
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Aug 15, 2011 9:09pm
Fab1b
Posts: 12,949
Aug 15, 2011 9:12pm
^nice
Scooter1369
Posts: 179
Aug 15, 2011 11:31pm
Missouri to the BIG would be interesting, as apparently, they felt a bit butthurt when Nebraska got the invite and they didn't and sent an FOIA request wanting emails involving expansion.
This FOIA included emails between Tressel and Osbourne and is what uncovered the Cicero emails, and led to where Ohio State is today, fending off the NCAA.
This FOIA included emails between Tressel and Osbourne and is what uncovered the Cicero emails, and led to where Ohio State is today, fending off the NCAA.
darbypitcher22
Posts: 8,000
Aug 16, 2011 5:30pm
Scooter1369;863663 wrote:
This FOIA included emails between Tressel and Osbourne and is what uncovered the Cicero emails, and led to where Ohio State is today, fending off the NCAA.
This would be an interesting explanation if you've got one
Little Danny
Posts: 4,288
Aug 17, 2011 12:30am
The commissioner of the Big East had a sit-down the past day or so with the commissioners of the Big 12 and the ACC regarding conference realignment.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/college/7700021.html
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/college/7700021.html
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enigmaax
Posts: 4,511
Aug 25, 2011 4:09pm
Texas A&M offered its official notice to the Big XII that it is looking elsewhere. Sounds as though they'll stay put for the required time according to the league agreement.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6895751/texas-officially-notifies-big-12-conference-exploration
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6895751/texas-officially-notifies-big-12-conference-exploration
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Aug 29, 2011 11:30pm
[INDENT]@PeteThamelNYTPete Thamel[/INDENT]Texas A&M President sent a letter to Big 12 Chair tonight notifying their withdrawal from B12. No exit fee yet. nyti.ms/rggDpf
krambman
Posts: 3,606
Aug 30, 2011 2:03am
Here's the story from the AP.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6907754/texas-notifies-big-12-leave-conference
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6907754/texas-notifies-big-12-leave-conference
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Aug 30, 2011 11:10am
A&M now denying the previous reports: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6909072/texas-aggies-spokesman-denies-school-sent-withdrawal-letter-big-12
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Aug 30, 2011 11:20am
It does seem strange they would pull out without another conference already set to go to.gorocks99;877332 wrote:A&M now denying the previous reports: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6909072/texas-aggies-spokesman-denies-school-sent-withdrawal-letter-big-12
dazedconfused
Posts: 2,662
Aug 30, 2011 1:07pm
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AqObwDBAJSNWurWi9iD0xdM5nYcB?slug=dw-wetzel_sec_texas_teams_should_include_tcu_083011
makes about as much sense (if not more) for the sec as any other team bandied about
makes about as much sense (if not more) for the sec as any other team bandied about
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Aug 30, 2011 1:28pm
WebFire;877343 wrote:It does seem strange they would pull out without another conference already set to go to.
They have to announce their intent to leave the conference before the SEC can officially invite them. That has been the hold up since the rumors first started flying.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Aug 30, 2011 1:54pm
Ah gotchya.karen lotz;877507 wrote:They have to announce their intent to leave the conference before the SEC can officially invite them. That has been the hold up since the rumors first started flying.