Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Nov 14, 2011 12:39pm
Yet cant find a spot on a roster. Kerry Collins took that team to a 13-3 record.Pick6;972541 wrote:vince young is 26-13 as a starter.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Nov 14, 2011 12:44pm
Collins also took that team to 0-8 the next season, then Vince went in and won 7 of the next 8.Laley23;972570 wrote:Yet cant find a spot on a roster. Kerry Collins took that team to a 13-3 record.
not like it is relevant anyways. trep said you arent going to win consistantly if you arent a good passer. VY has a better win-loss than the majority of active NFL QBs.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Nov 14, 2011 12:54pm
I agree. Just saying it cant always be on a single person. No way to prove it, but I think Vince Young, given the chance to start his whole career, ends up closer to .500 than to his .675 or whatever.Pick6;972575 wrote:Collins also took that team to 0-8 the next season, then Vince went in and won 7 of the next 8.
not like it is relevant anyways. trep said you arent going to win consistantly if you arent a good passer. VY has a better win-loss than the majority of active NFL QBs.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Nov 14, 2011 12:55pm
VY is a decent passer. He has a career average of 57.9% with a low of 51.5% his rookie year and 2 years over 61%. He's never been anywhere as inaccurate as TebowPick6;972575 wrote:Collins also took that team to 0-8 the next season, then Vince went in and won 7 of the next 8.
not like it is relevant anyways. trep said you arent going to win consistantly if you arent a good passer. VY has a better win-loss than the majority of active NFL QBs.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Nov 14, 2011 1:27pm
The NFL now is very similar to what the NFL was during the 60's and 70's.Skyhook79;972526 wrote:Its been done by Terry Bradshaw career 51.9% I know its not 45% but its still terrible. Joe Namath was a career 50% and he was a Super Bowl MVP and an AFC MVP both Hof'ers. I am not saying Tebow by any means is going to be a MVP or in the HOF but don't act like it hasn't been done with a poor passing %.
/sarcasm
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trep14
Posts: 842
Nov 14, 2011 2:04pm
I stand corrected on Vince Young, I didn't know he was that successful at winning consistently in the regular season. I remember that he was one of those guys who was considered to be a poor passer and considered to be a "winner". I just know he never really "won" anything with the Titans and he was surrounded by a ton of talent. He had what, one playoff appearance where the Colts gift-wrapped it to the Titans in 2007? And truth is, he was still miles ahead of Tebow in terms of his passing ability. And as for Bradshaw, I think like_that hit the nail on the head, this aint the 70's anymore.
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Nov 14, 2011 4:47pm
Yeah you are right. The Browns were relevant in the 60's and 70's now they are not.like_that;972629 wrote:The NFL now is very similar to what the NFL was during the 60's and 70's.
/sarcasm
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trep14
Posts: 842
Nov 14, 2011 6:20pm
But I do stand corrected, Vince Young did win consistently in the regular season despite never being regarded as a good passer.
Speedofsand
Posts: 5,529
Nov 18, 2011 12:46am
LOL
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Nov 18, 2011 8:54am
is that you in your avatar tebowing? if so, you are an even bigger *** than i thought
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Nov 18, 2011 9:26am
I will give Tebow some credit, he showed some grit last night.
That being said....he still can't throw for shit, but it was a very good win. Denver's D played well and the Jets just flat out sucked.
That being said....he still can't throw for shit, but it was a very good win. Denver's D played well and the Jets just flat out sucked.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 18, 2011 9:55am
Good for Tebow on winning the game.
The sad part is, in the long run this is going to hurt the Broncos because it'll just give Tebow a longer contract and more wins thus a lower draft pick and they still won't have a franchise QB.
The sad part is, in the long run this is going to hurt the Broncos because it'll just give Tebow a longer contract and more wins thus a lower draft pick and they still won't have a franchise QB.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Nov 18, 2011 10:38am
Tebow is winning. I dont know how, cause he was awful last night. But he gets it done. You need a 2 score lead on the Broncos to ensure a win lol.
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Nov 18, 2011 10:42am
Tell that to the Dolphins LOL!Laley23;977868 wrote:Tebow is winning. I dont know how, cause he was awful last night. But he gets it done. You need a 2 score lead on the Broncos to ensure a win lol.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Nov 18, 2011 10:50am
Doesnt count. They were still in the Suck for Luck campaign. lolIliketurtles;977877 wrote:Tell that to the Dolphins LOL!
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Nov 18, 2011 10:53am
Touche lol.Laley23;977889 wrote:Doesnt count. They were still in the Suck for Luck campaign. lol
Speedofsand
Posts: 5,529
Nov 18, 2011 3:34pm
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-thursday-night-football/09000d5d8243b704/Tebow-joins-the-set
'...this game means a lot, but that hospital means more to me...' - Tim Tebow
'...this game means a lot, but that hospital means more to me...' - Tim Tebow
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sportchampps
Posts: 7,361
Nov 18, 2011 3:49pm
Vy will probably start this week too
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Nov 18, 2011 7:45pm
For those of you wondering about the status of Tebow for next year, pay attention to around the 1:35 mark. By the way, Tebow is the only QB under contract for after next year in Denver, so as long as he keeps winning he's going to be staying around. With all the other stuff he has, a full off season with Elway and the coaches coaching him up, he will get better.
I am NOT saying he will ever be a Brady, Rodgers, Manning, etc, but when he gets to be a middle of the road NFL QB with all the extras, he will be lightning. Unlike Vick, Tebow is built like a fullback so he won't be getting hurt as often.
[video]http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-gameday/09000d5d82439df4/Elway-on-Tebow-I-ve-never-seen-anything-like-him?module=HP11_content_stream[/video]
I am NOT saying he will ever be a Brady, Rodgers, Manning, etc, but when he gets to be a middle of the road NFL QB with all the extras, he will be lightning. Unlike Vick, Tebow is built like a fullback so he won't be getting hurt as often.
[video]http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-gameday/09000d5d82439df4/Elway-on-Tebow-I-ve-never-seen-anything-like-him?module=HP11_content_stream[/video]
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Nov 18, 2011 7:57pm
Tebow had a nice final drive, but I have no idea what Rex Ryan and the defensive staff was doing.
Also, 80% of this win belongs to Von Miller and their defense. Tebow and the offense was atrocious for virtually the entire game.
Also, 80% of this win belongs to Von Miller and their defense. Tebow and the offense was atrocious for virtually the entire game.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Nov 19, 2011 9:30am
Tebow will never be on Vicks level, and Vick isnt even THAT good of a qb. Book ittk421;978362 wrote:For those of you wondering about the status of Tebow for next year, pay attention to around the 1:35 mark. By the way, Tebow is the only QB under contract for after next year in Denver, so as long as he keeps winning he's going to be staying around. With all the other stuff he has, a full off season with Elway and the coaches coaching him up, he will get better.
I am NOT saying he will ever be a Brady, Rodgers, Manning, etc, but when he gets to be a middle of the road NFL QB with all the extras, he will be lightning. Unlike Vick, Tebow is built like a fullback so he won't be getting hurt as often.
[video]http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-gameday/09000d5d82439df4/Elway-on-Tebow-I-ve-never-seen-anything-like-him?module=HP11_content_stream[/video]
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BR1986FB
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Nov 21, 2011 7:14pm
Speedofsand
Posts: 5,529
Nov 23, 2011 1:00am
2010 Denver....... 4-12
2011 Denver with Tebow starting.... 4-1.
2011 Denver with Tebow starting.... 4-1.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Nov 23, 2011 9:19am
It wouldn't surprise me if they change the team name to the Denver Tebows in 2012. He's that good.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 23, 2011 9:39am
2007 Browns with Derek Anderson starting 10-5Speedofsand;984612 wrote:2010 Denver....... 4-12
2011 Denver with Tebow starting.... 4-1.
2008 Browns 4-12