se-alum;848605 wrote:The Jays are going to be relevant, probably pretty soon. They have one of the best GM's in the game.
that will be moot when they get rid of the divisions. I agree though. They seem to be headed in the right directionThe Jays are going to be relevant, probably pretty soon. They have one of the best GM's in the game.
I think they have been pretty decent .500 or above for the last few years but they havent been able to break through and its a tough as hell divison.
Azubuike24;848648 wrote:The Jays are going to find it tough to become more relevant than they currently are while sharing a division with New York and Boston.
Tampa is an organization that is about as good as it gets as developing and making quality moves, and even in their best times, have struggled to stay in competition with the big boys the last 3 years. Baltimore has also amassed a ton of young talent and could soon make some noise, and do it with more money to spend than Toronto. Even so, anyone in that division, regardless of how well they are run, will find it very tough to contend.
se-alum;848516 wrote:I make the deal. It solidifies our LF position, and we still have a big bat at 1st. Let's be honest, Votto could go off the deep end at any time.
Commander of Awesome;848990 wrote:I dont get this, does Votto have mental issues or something?
Commander of Awesome;848990 wrote:I dont get this, does Votto have mental issues or something?
se-alum;849042 wrote:Documented depression and anxiety disorder.
Ironman92;849066 wrote:And if anyone does that before Votto...it'll be Bautista!
wildcats20;849073 wrote:Roid rage.
There's no way Alonso is a better first baseman than Votto though...OhioStatePride2003;848691 wrote:Agreed - no way is Toronto ever going to be relevant when they're competing against the Red Sox and Yanks - even the Rays. I guess it could happen, but I just don't see it. Now if there were a salary cap in baseball - maybe. Still, I don't think I'd been too mad to send Votto to Toronto for Bautista with Alonso's bat waiting to be unleashed. Probably a better defensive 1st Baseman too...
Azubuike24;848493 wrote:Disagree. Votto has never had the chance to test the market. While it seems he likes Cincinnati, he's a Toronto kid who grew up idolizing the Jays during their best days. To say he wouldn't have some interest in exploring any option to play there would be naive thinking. The risk here is the vital stats.
Joey Votto is 27, since arriving in the majors at age 23, he's been nothing but great. He has a career .955 OPS and has trended upwards in every category since his rookie year. He's an above average first-baseman who is under team control for at least another 2 years.
Jose Bautista is 30, never played full-time until last year and has career numbers elevated significantly by last year's performance. He was so undervalued before last year, he was released a few times and spent time with 4 MLB teams before the Jays, including multiple stints with the Pirates.
It's safe to say he's a late-bloomer who can clearly play, but there would be significantly more risk for the Reds, both on the fronts that Votto may opt to explore leaving soon anyway and in-terms of value and performance, Votto is more consistent and would have more overall value than Joey.
se-alum;849042 wrote:Documented depression and anxiety disorder.
justincredible;849496 wrote:Well, Bautista's current contract runs through 2015 with a team option for 2016 at just $14 million per year. So he would need a "next deal" with Cincinnati because he'd be 36 at the end of his current one and they will have had 5 years of his services.
Votto is not going to resign in Cincinnati after 2013.
alwaysawarrior;849504 wrote:I'm not saying I would have made the trade, although I would have considered it. But I have no idea what leads you to believe so strongly that Votto will be here at the end of the contract. Everything I have ever seen or heard (from some people close to the organization) that it doesn't appear that Votto is going to want to stick around. I would be surprised if he is still here after the 3 years that he is under the team's control.
