jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Jul 30, 2011 10:28pm
MehYankees looking for pitching.
Homer and Wood for Gardner.
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zach24oz
Posts: 598
Jul 30, 2011 10:32pm
I dont think I really like that trade...you would have another fast LF with no pop...could be a leadoff batter but what do you do with Heisey and Alonso?
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jul 30, 2011 10:34pm
jordo212000;847044 wrote:Meh
Ok....Homer, Wood and Dusty for Brett Gardner.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Jul 30, 2011 10:36pm
done.Meh
Ok....Homer, Wood and Dusty for Brett Gardner.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Jul 30, 2011 10:37pm
zach24oz;847048 wrote:I dont think I really like that trade...you would have another fast LF with no pop...could be a leadoff batter but what do you do with Heisey and Alonso?
He's better than all of the LF and a better leadoff guy than Stubbs...he's cheap and IMO the best defensive LF in baseball.
I really don't care...just want Dusty gone.
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zach24oz
Posts: 598
Jul 30, 2011 10:45pm
he's the best defensive LF in baseball? I'm just saying what do you do with those guys if you get Gardner? Trade them for other pieces?
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Jul 30, 2011 10:47pm
I still would just go with Alonso and Heisey and then deal Hernandez for some pitching assistance
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mhs95_06
Posts: 8,167
Jul 30, 2011 11:00pm
Alonso is not here to contribute in LF. He is here to hit, and without a position it will be just mostly pinch hitting, and if he has to stay in the game it will be LF. Every so often they will "throw him a bone" and start him in LF, and maybe very rarely a start for him at 1B. Now if Joey got hurt, Yonder would be excellent to fill in.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Jul 30, 2011 11:02pm
mhs95_06;847107 wrote:Alonso is not here to contribute in LF. He is here to hit, and without a position it will be just mostly pinch hitting, and if he has to stay in the game it will be LF. Every so often they will "throw him a bone" and start him in LF, and maybe very rarely a start for him at 1B. Now if Joey got hurt, Yonder would be excellent to fill in.
Agreed. His future is as a 1B or DH. Not OF, however the dude can flat out hit. I put him out in LF until his defense forces me to remove him. I have a hard time believing he would cover less ground than Gomes. If he does, so what. I have a feeling his offense will compensate for that. Plus you can always remove him late in the game. On top of all of this, Stubbs covers a ton of ground.
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zach24oz
Posts: 598
Jul 30, 2011 11:05pm
So give Alonso the Heisey treatment and give him a start every so often and just be a pinch hitter off the bench? I dont really agree with that. If you have a hitter who is ready right now, you play him in the field...not to come off the bench and get spot starts. Heisey and Alonso could split starts in LF and Heisey can spell Stubbs once in a while in CF...
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Jul 30, 2011 11:08pm
zach24oz;847120 wrote:So give Alonso the Heisey treatment and give him a start every so often and just be a pinch hitter off the bench? I dont really agree with that. If you have a hitter who is ready right now, you play him in the field...not to come off the bench and get spot starts. Heisey and Alonso could split starts in LF and Heisey can spell Stubbs once in a while in CF...
I agree. If they are going to yank Alonso around, I hope they trade him. That's a perfect way to harm his value. (Giving him limited playing time and expecting him to succeed).
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mhs95_06
Posts: 8,167
Jul 30, 2011 11:22pm
jordo212000;847128 wrote:I agree. If they are going to yank Alonso around, I hope they trade him. That's a perfect way to harm his value. (Giving him limited playing time and expecting him to succeed).
He's doing pretty well at succeeding in his role now!
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Jul 30, 2011 11:27pm
mhs95_06;847145 wrote:He's doing pretty well at succeeding in his role now!
Which is exactly why I want him to receive more PT!! haha. I know he has been doing well coming off the bench, but that is incredibly difficult to do. I'm with zach24oz. I hate to see him get Heisey-ed. Would rather see him in Louisville playing everyday instead of in Cincy getting a handful of ABs per week.
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mhs95_06
Posts: 8,167
Jul 30, 2011 11:41pm
jordo212000;847150 wrote:Which is exactly why I want him to receive more PT!! haha. I know he has been doing well coming off the bench, but that is incredibly difficult to do. I'm with zach24oz. I hate to see him get Heisey-ed. Would rather see him in Louisville playing everyday instead of in Cincy getting a handful of ABs per week.
How does playing in Louisville help the Reds win games now at this critical time in the season? The best way to help the Reds now is pinch hitting, and that is what he is doing.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Jul 30, 2011 11:49pm
mhs95_06;847164 wrote:How does playing in Louisville help the Reds win games now at this critical time in the season? The best way to help the Reds now is pinch hitting, and that is what he is doing.
In the short term yes, you are correct. I'm looking big picture.
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mhs95_06
Posts: 8,167
Jul 30, 2011 11:55pm
jordo212000;847166 wrote:In the short term yes, you are correct. I'm looking big picture.
I don't think that having Alonso do what he is doing now is harming his progression much at all. Facing ML pitching 5 ABs a week may actually be helping him more than facing AAA pitching 20 ABs a week.
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zach24oz
Posts: 598
Jul 31, 2011 12:26am
I disagree that 5 ABs a week will help him more...I think maybe throw in a start or 2 a week and see how he handles that.
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dave
Posts: 4,558
Jul 31, 2011 12:43am
In Tiger we trust!
Ended up going to the game tonight, the Rolen jersey we got is surprisingly nice, and they had a small that isn't that big on my wife. Left in the 5th to go see Naked Karate Girls. You cincy people should know who they are.
Ended up going to the game tonight, the Rolen jersey we got is surprisingly nice, and they had a small that isn't that big on my wife. Left in the 5th to go see Naked Karate Girls. You cincy people should know who they are.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Jul 31, 2011 1:19am
Ironman92;847042 wrote:Yankees looking for pitching.
Homer and Wood for Gardner.
Lol OMG no...I talked to a lot of Yankees fans yesterday who weren't sold on him and said he's very frustrating to watch because of his potential...reminded me of.how we reds fans feel about stubbs
But then again that's probably because he was 0 for 5 yesterday and made the final out of the game lol
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Jul 31, 2011 1:55am
dave;847195 wrote:In Tiger we trust!
Ended up going to the game tonight, the Rolen jersey we got is surprisingly nice, and they had a small that isn't that big on my wife. Left in the 5th to go see Naked Karate Girls. You cincy people should know who they are.
Like the Websters better. Both make it up to NW Ohio from time to time and are always at PIB. Both good band, though.