....which is the median income over there. That's right....$125 a month. They work like slaves...no paid vacations....no safe working conditions....even the air they breathe yields a rancid stench of filth. A typical work week is 50/60 hours a week....even the 14 year olds toil away. They live in little tiny huts....keep their mouths shut....and labor for the state. All the while their country has about 4.5 trillion of THEIR MONEY buying up American schit.

Can one imagine the outrage if this was going on in our country?

All the while the American people wonder why the unemployment rate is 17%. Why the factory bases have closed down. Why even Canada has a much better per capita income than we do.

The US continues to piss away 1 trillion a year on defense....fight team fight....but when it relates to the economic war being waged on the American people, we continue being the world's biggest pussies in allowing China and others to schit all over us.

And all the partisan pud whackers will clamor for the other party to "fix things". Don't hold your breath.

Got a link?

Maybe if the Unions didnt fight to get their members $40/hour jobs, companies here wouldnt look for cheaper wage countries to move to.

The problem is not us respecting people and offering safe living conditions and a decent wage. The problem is that other companies/countries don't do this. We should make it our goal to get them to change, not revert to where we were in the 20s and before.

Footwedge;837095 wrote:....which is the median income over there. That's right....$125 a month. They work like slaves...no paid vacations....no safe working conditions....even the air they breathe is a yeilds a rancid stench of filth. A typical work week is 50/60 hours a week....even the 14 year olds toil away. They live in little tiny huts....keep their mouths shut....and labor for the state. All the while their country has about 4.5 trillion of THEIR MONEY buying up American schit.

Can one imagine the outrage if this was going on in our country?

All the while the American people wonder why the unemployment rate is 17%. Why the factory bases have closed down. Why even Canada has a much better per capita income than we do.

The US continues to piss away 1 trillion a year on defense....fight team fight....but when it relates to the economic war being waged on the American people, we continue being the world's biggest pussies in allowing China and others to schit all over us.

And all the partisan pud whackers will clamor for the other party to "fix things". Don't hold your breath.

Do you know Ho Chi Chinaman personally? Is his sister Who Chi Coo Chi Chinaman?

coyotes22;838648 wrote:Do you know Ho Chi Chinaman personally? Is his sister Who Chi Coo Chi Chinaman?

I have never heard of Ho Chi Chinaman. I have heard of Ho Chi Min. I heard he was as son of a bitch, had the blue ball scratch, and the seven year itch.

majorspark;838651 wrote:I have never heard of Ho Chi Chinaman. I have heard of Ho Chi Min. I heard he was as son of a bitch, had the blue ball scratch, and the seven year itch.

First cousin to Hung Low and Cumm of Som yong Guy

Interesting that the OP didn't mention what he personally was doing to help, not that we don't know.

So how exactly is the US supposed to change all this? We're supposed to somehow go into a sovereign nation and force them to change their working conditions and standards? Or maybe Obama's golden orations will get them to change voluntarily.

Every nation on Earth has gone through this process in its development as a nation...and most come out fine on the other side at some point, with higher wages, better conditions, etc.

Seems to me the only thing the US can do is wait for that change to occur INTERNALLY, unless you think a few trillion in Chinese stimulus (with money borrowed FROM China, of course) might speed things up a bit.

LJ;838628 wrote:Got a link?

I have rots of rinks. Ruse your yoogle rutton. Type in Chinaman...125 dollars a month.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=ie7&q=chinese+workers+make+125+a+month&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7TSND_enUS421US421

queencitybuckeye;838723 wrote:Interesting that the OP didn't mention what he personally was doing to help, not that we don't know.

Posting the subject matter on this site is what I'm personally doing.

Writerbuckeye;838738 wrote:So how exactly is the US supposed to change all this? We're supposed to somehow go into a sovereign nation and force them to change their working conditions and standards? Or maybe Obama's golden orations will get them to change voluntarily.

Every nation on Earth has gone through this process in its development as a nation...and most come out fine on the other side at some point, with higher wages, better conditions, etc.

Seems to me the only thing the US can do is wait for that change to occur INTERNALLY, unless you think a few trillion in Chinese stimulus (with money borrowed FROM China, of course) might speed things up a bit.

Ah yes Writer....playing the "sovereign nation" card regarding China and their government dumping policies... Where was the "sovereign nation" card whenever we bombed and invaded the other sovereign nations....just sayin.

You have no answer. Got it.

Bigdogg;838704 wrote:First cousin to Hung Low and Cumm of Som yong Guy

Speaking of China's deplorable conditions and their total disregard for clean air/water etc....their second biggest river over there is called the Yellow River.....and it's called that for a vellly good reason.

Footwedge;838765 wrote:I have rots of rinks. Ruse your yoogle rutton. Type in Chinaman...125 dollars a month.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=ie7&q=chinese+workers+make+125+a+month&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7TSND_enUS421US421

Writerbuckeye;838770 wrote:You have no answer. Got it.

Actually....there are plenty of things that easily could be done. Over the years, I have posted what could be done....but will never be implemented....because the freedoms of our citizenry today are not nearly as important as they once were.

Footwedge;838766 wrote:Posting the subject matter on this site is what I'm personally doing.

IOW, you are inept at anything but complaining.

Writerbuckeye;838770 wrote:You have no answer. Got it.

Here'a a guy who pretty much gets it. So you can read this article for starters. I do apologize to posters like Gut for me using yet another "left winged blog site" in sharing my view. LOL.

http://www.amconmag.com/blog/potemkin-america/

EDIT. One small snippet from the brilliant Dr. Paul Craig Roberts...

"The offshoring of American manufacturing separated Americans’ incomes from the production of the goods and services that they consumed. The advent of the high speed Internet made it possible to offshore professional service jobs, such as software engineering, which drove down the returns to a college education and the employment prospects of graduates. In an offshored economy, the profits of corporations are not a measure of the economic welfare of the population.

As American incomes stagnated—except for the rich, there has been no real increase in 20 years—the economy was kept going by the growth of consumer debt to take the place of the missing growth in take-home pay. Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan’s low-interest-rate policy fueled a real estate boom and drove home prices to new highs, permitting Americans to refinance their mortgages and to spend the equity. Anyone could obtain credit cards, and many Americans maxed out several."

queencitybuckeye;838785 wrote:IOW, you are inept at anything but complaining.

All you New York Buckeyes have to be one and the same person. LOL. I'm good at complaining? Thanks. Not nearly as good as the 3000 or so postings on the "disgusted with Obama" thread I would say.

queencitybuckeye;838785 wrote:IOW, you are inept at anything but complaining.

+1.

No doubt the lower wages in China, the lax environmental safeguards, and lack of labor policies make it tougher for American companies to compete. But I'm not sure there are many realistic solutions other than allowing free trade to distribute benefits and bring everyone up. It's going to take time (and FWIW, China is rapidly industrializing and becoming wealthier, so this will be less of an issue in the future).

Is this new information? I think this has been an issue that has existed for quite some time.

Employers look at labor as human capital. They bring value to the process of delivering a service or product to the market. The level of value they bring determines the benefit in their hiring. The U.S. Labor force is at a disadvantage presently with China but as FFT has stated I see that continuing to level a bit over time as China's labor cost continue to inflate while the U.S. labor costs decrease.

Con_Alma;838825 wrote:Is this new information? I think this has been an issue that has existed for quite some time.

Employers look at labor as human capital. They bring value to the process of delivering a service or product to the market. The level of value they bring determines the benefit in their hiring. The U.S. Labor force is at a disadvantage presently with China but as FFT has stated I see that continuing to level a bit over time as China's labor cost continue to inflate while the U.S. labor costs decrease.

I agree that it will level, but I am concerned how it will level. Our middle class has been disappearing over the last 25-30 years. China's working class will improve over time, but our working class may be brought down to some degree to reach that equilibrium point.

There's no question in my mind that they middle class will be brought down some. They already have. That's the impact of a growing global market as opposed to one dominated by the US.

That wasn't going to be stopped.

The value of the U.S laborer is less.

fan_from_texas;838799 wrote:+1.

No doubt the lower wages in China, the lax environmental safeguards, and lack of labor policies make it tougher for American companies to compete. But I'm not sure there are many realistic solutions other than allowing free trade to distribute benefits and bring everyone up. It's going to take time (and FWIW, China is rapidly industrializing and becoming wealthier, so this will be less of an issue in the future).

With the evergrowing advancement of the technology and the internet, it's not a matter of if...but a matter of when......when many legal matters are solved by Indian lawyers dragging the professional wages way down to what the "international market" will bear.. You gonna be OK with that in let's say....10 years from now?

As it stands, my understanding is that already some legal secretarial...and some paralegal work is headed across the seas in order to compete.

Instead of your professional services charging $200 per hour, will you be content if your firm can only charge let's say....$35 an hour?

The author's link that I posted has cited that the white collar professions are beginning to feel the pinch as well.

If one takes the time to read Roberts....or other people that see what's happening, they would begin to understand that more than just manufacturing is susceptable to the horrors of unfettered globalization.

The OC mods bring home more than that a month.