2kool4skool
Posts: 1,804
Dec 7, 2009 9:38pm
Who gives a shit whether ESPN covered him all year?
ESPN screwed up, they overlooked the best player in college football most of the year. It's not that he's winning it because of his last game, it's that ESPN was too stupid to take notice of him until the last game of the season.
What exactly are you people you people trying to argue? That he shouldn't win it or that he won't win it?
ESPN screwed up, they overlooked the best player in college football most of the year. It's not that he's winning it because of his last game, it's that ESPN was too stupid to take notice of him until the last game of the season.
What exactly are you people you people trying to argue? That he shouldn't win it or that he won't win it?
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Dec 7, 2009 9:44pm
Nebraska sucked, that's not ESPN's fault. They're not going to put them on over others.
ESPN did what was expected, show the games the most people wanted to see. They screwed up by humpin' the wrong leg in Tebow.
ESPN did what was expected, show the games the most people wanted to see. They screwed up by humpin' the wrong leg in Tebow.
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the_system
Posts: 465
Dec 7, 2009 10:01pm
You didn't get lambasted. Just proved wrong...and apparently you're content with being wrong even after the clip I showed you from mid-october. So what is your answer? Was he never brought up or brought up and you're just wrong?ccrunner609 wrote: ^^^Watch out, I said the same thing and got lambasted. But i agree, he was never brought up by ESPN all year.
2kool4skool
Posts: 1,804
Dec 7, 2009 10:07pm
Nebraska is just as good as Stanford and Gerhardt received far more coverage.ytownfootball wrote: Nebraska sucked, that's not ESPN's fault. They're not going to put them on over others.
ESPN did what was expected, show the games the most people wanted to see. They screwed up by humpin' the wrong leg in Tebow.
But regardless, who cares who ESPN showed? Suh is the best player in the country. The fact he wasn't on voters radar until the last game of the season only serves to show how ridiculous the Heisman voting process really is.
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ironman02
Posts: 4,989
Dec 7, 2009 10:15pm
The belief thatESPN didn't cover him that much or voters didn't have him on their radar all season doesn't matter much now. He's finally getting the recognition that he deserves and has a decent shot of winning this thing. In the end, I doubt if he will, but he's already at a disadvantage by playing exclusively on the defensive side of the ball. The fact the he's even in consideration is very impressive.
I'm happy that Suh is invited to NYC and I'll be fine with it if he wins the Heisman. I really won't have a problem with any of the guys winning it, unless it's Tebow, which should be impossible now.
I'm happy that Suh is invited to NYC and I'll be fine with it if he wins the Heisman. I really won't have a problem with any of the guys winning it, unless it's Tebow, which should be impossible now.
2kool4skool
Posts: 1,804
Dec 7, 2009 10:23pm
Again, and perhaps I can get an answer this time: what are you people arguing?
That he hasn't been on the radar until last week? Okay great, I agree.
Are you arguing he doesn't deserve to be on the radar now? That he should have been all year but is just now receiving recognition? That he won't win the Heisman because of this? That he shouldn't win the Heisman because of this?
That he hasn't been on the radar until last week? Okay great, I agree.
Are you arguing he doesn't deserve to be on the radar now? That he should have been all year but is just now receiving recognition? That he won't win the Heisman because of this? That he shouldn't win the Heisman because of this?
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ironman02
Posts: 4,989
Dec 7, 2009 10:30pm
2kool4skool,
Who are you actually talking to? My point is that even though he may not have received as much media coverage as the other candidates, it doesn't mean he has been any less impressive. He deserves to be a finalist and if he wins it, I would be happy with that decision. He has been dominant throughout the season and people should have been paying attention to him before now.
Who are you actually talking to? My point is that even though he may not have received as much media coverage as the other candidates, it doesn't mean he has been any less impressive. He deserves to be a finalist and if he wins it, I would be happy with that decision. He has been dominant throughout the season and people should have been paying attention to him before now.
2kool4skool
Posts: 1,804
Dec 7, 2009 10:30pm
People should have been on the bandwagon all year. The hype he's getting now is just long overdue.ccrunner609 wrote: No I agree, probably going to have a better NFL career then anyone in the draft. But like I said.....the bandwagon seemed to of picked up speed and I am not a bandwagon guy for anything.
2kool4skool
Posts: 1,804
Dec 7, 2009 10:35pm
I agree 100% with every word you just said, and no, I wasn't talking to you.ironman02 wrote: 2kool4skool,
Who are you actually talking to? My point is that even though he may not have received as much media coverage as the other candidates, it doesn't mean he has been any less impressive. He deserves to be a finalist and if he wins it, I would be happy with that decision. He has been dominant throughout the season and people should have been paying attention to him before now.
Mainly talking to ytown, who's just referencing the fact that ESPN hasn't covered Suh as much as the others this year, without expanding upon what that means exactly.
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ironman02
Posts: 4,989
Dec 7, 2009 10:40pm
Ok, sounds good. Just wanted to make sure we were on the same page.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Dec 7, 2009 10:42pm
Gerhart
Ingram
Suh
McCoy
Tebow
That'd be my order.
Ingram
Suh
McCoy
Tebow
That'd be my order.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Dec 7, 2009 10:58pm
2kool4skool wrote:.Mainly talking to ytown, who's just referencing the fact that ESPN hasn't covered Suh as much as the others this year, without expanding upon what that means exactly.
I thought I was pretty clear. Joe bag-o-heisman voter isn't going to watch every damn game on the tube and really put the thought we all think the award deserves into his decision. That Heisman ballot sits next to the microwave for two months untill somebody reminds them to get their vote in.ytownfootball wrote:Seriously, you think Roger Staubach is sitting in a Lazyboy flipping through College games analyzing every player to determine where his vote is going to go, for 14 weeks?
Bullshit.
"Oh I guess I better turn on ESPN to see who I should vote for."
OK, maybe not to that extent, but I bet it's closer to reality than thinking some of these guys actually put forth a serious effort and analysis. They make their decision in the last week or two in the season, they make popular choices so they don't look stupid when their vote is exposed.
Maybe I'm way off but I see that as more realistic.
2kool4skool
Posts: 1,804
Dec 7, 2009 11:09pm
No you're exactly right. I thought you might be saying that Suh doesn't deserve the Heisman because ESPN didn't lick his balls. I'm in complete agreement that the Heisman has turned into a joke because of the exact attitude you outlined.ytownfootball wrote:2kool4skool wrote:.Mainly talking to ytown, who's just referencing the fact that ESPN hasn't covered Suh as much as the others this year, without expanding upon what that means exactly.I thought I was pretty clear. Joe bag-o-heisman voter isn't going to watch every damn game on the tube and really put the thought we all think the award deserves into his decision. That Heisman ballot sits next to the microwave for two months untill somebody reminds them to get their vote in.ytownfootball wrote:Seriously, you think Roger Staubach is sitting in a Lazyboy flipping through College games analyzing every player to determine where his vote is going to go, for 14 weeks?
Bullshit.
"Oh I guess I better turn on ESPN to see who I should vote for."
OK, maybe not to that extent, but I bet it's closer to reality than thinking some of these guys actually put forth a serious effort and analysis. They make their decision in the last week or two in the season, they make popular choices so they don't look stupid when their vote is exposed.
Maybe I'm way off but I see that as more realistic.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Dec 7, 2009 11:13pm
I would love a Suh choice...I would actually have a little more respect for the award, at least this year.
End of Line
Posts: 6,867
Dec 7, 2009 11:45pm
Ingram or Gerhart, I can't pick one.
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the_system
Posts: 465
Dec 8, 2009 12:00am
ccrunner609 wrote: http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman09/index
You know why there isnt a link attached to Suh? Because he was just added.
...and you continue to be wrong. There isn't a link attached to Suh because he is a defensive player and doesn't have a profile. ESPN doesn't track individual defensive statistics.
First you say he was never mentioned on Gameday all season because you watch it all the time. I give you a link of the Gameday crew talking about how a defensive player should garner some heisman attention, followed by a story on Suh. Then you say he was just brought into the heisman discussion because of his performance against Texas, when they have been talking about him for most of the year as being one of the most dominant players in college football....and his name just added, obviously, because he didn't have a link?
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ironman02
Posts: 4,989
Dec 8, 2009 12:20am
Good article on Suh, who won the Nagurski as the nation's top defensive player.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4723494
Some more stats that I noticed in addition to the ones I already knew.
82 tackles, 23 tackles for loss, 12 sacks, 1 INT, 10 pass deflections, 3 blocked kicks.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4723494
Some more stats that I noticed in addition to the ones I already knew.
82 tackles, 23 tackles for loss, 12 sacks, 1 INT, 10 pass deflections, 3 blocked kicks.
SQ_Crazies
Posts: 7,977
Dec 8, 2009 12:58am
Post all the links you want where Suh isn't high on the list but I'll trust StiffArmTrophy.com before I believe what I'm seeing on ESPN.
Firad
Posts: 1,525
Dec 8, 2009 2:12am
I'm pulling for Gerhart!
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Cmhs74
Posts: 174
Dec 8, 2009 6:59am
Would like to see McCoy win but I think it will be Ingram because so many voters were waiting till this past weekend to cast their vote and Ingram had a good game while McCoy and "Crybaby" Tebow struggled. On Gameday one of those with a vote didn't even have McCoy on his list of who he might vote for, he had Ingram, Gerhart, and Tebow. At least now it can be Gameday again instead of "Tim Tebow Day".
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Dec 8, 2009 8:06am
Gerhart for Heisman--btw,when do we have to have this poll into the selection commitee?? 
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Dec 8, 2009 8:08am
I don't know how anyone can vote for ingram... when he didn't show up for a few games... Akansas and Auburn. But you have Gerhart who showed up every game and had more 100+ and 200+ yard games with better stats.
jhay78
Posts: 1,917
Dec 8, 2009 8:21am
+1- There should be a criminal investigation as to why Spiller was not a finalist. He deserved an invite before Saturday's performance.ohiotiger33 wrote: Spiller deserved an invite after saturday's performance (20 CAR- 233 yds, 11 ypc, 4tds). He wouldn't have won, but he deserved it every bit as much or not more than Gerhart, Suh and Tim Frickin Tebow. ESPN is turning football into NASCAR, where they pimp their favorites and forget about everyone else. Oh well. Spiller will get the laugh on those guys in the upcoming draft.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Dec 8, 2009 8:39am
If Spiller played for Notre Dame you can bet he would've been invited.
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steel_curtain
Posts: 165
Dec 8, 2009 4:10pm
I'm sure, since ND didn't have 2 guys who put up heismanesque numbers this year who also didn't get invited.Tiernan wrote: If Spiller played for Notre Dame you can bet he would've been invited.
Playing for Clemson and playing for ND this year got them to abotu the same place, they bouth suck, so their players aren;t going to get the heisman, fair or not it's how it is.