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Jul 8, 2011 10:56 PM
How about Kentucky vacating a season that the NCAA said a player cheated on his ACT after declaring him eligible to play? Same punishment as OSU?
Jul 8, 2011 10:56pm
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Jul 8, 2011 10:57 PM
Lol. No. You actually think nobody knew bush was living luxuriously?? Comeon!!! And if they didn't know, why'd Pete run as soon as he got the chance. Tress lied to the NCAA. Players sold or traded their own items. Tress lying is a big deal, the rest of it happens at every school. And players have gotten suspended at other schools just the same.

The punishment some people want for osu just doesn't fit the crime, plain and simple.

I realize the hate for OSU is nationwide, but the reporting by some of the media on this has been laughable at best.
Jul 8, 2011 10:57pm
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Jul 8, 2011 10:57 PM
Little Danny;825204 wrote:I was traveling this afternoon and was bouncing between 97.1 the Fan and 610. Both stations were PO'd they were not invited. They passionately cover OSU athletics as well as anyone. Also not getting the invite would be the Plain Dealer, the Beacon Journal, the Dayton Daily News, the Toledo Blade and every other major paper in the state aside from the Dispatch. OSU unnecessarily burnt some bridges today.

97.1 pays OSU money to be the flagship station.
Jul 8, 2011 10:57pm
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Jul 8, 2011 10:59 PM
Midstate01;825191 wrote:Everyone said osu would have to vacate wins. It was a big deal. Now they have and they say, vacate wins.. So what!

****in haters. You ppl need to research other cases like this. NOT one gave up scholarships. Not one.

And the chick on Jim Rome today saying the osu thing is way way worse then USC is stupid. So was the guy in Jim romes place and saying osu should get a 5-8 year ban lol. Idiot!!

The only way to make the haters happy is the complete elimination of Ohio State football. This situation is pretty mild, and the self-imposed punishments are more than enough to cover the minor incidents. The biggest offense was a coach lying who doesn't even coach there any more, and that alone only deserves probation(plus the loss of the season for knowingly playing ineligible players).

OSU will win the Big Ten this coming year, and I wouldn't be surprised if we win a national title. The haters know this, and I can't say I blame them because I'd be the same way if my team couldn't win anything year in year out.
Jul 8, 2011 10:59pm
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Jul 8, 2011 11:01 PM
Midstate01;825215 wrote:Lol. No. You actually think nobody knew bush was living luxuriously?? Comeon!!! And if they didn't know, why'd Pete run as soon as he got the chance. Tress lied to the NCAA. Players sold or traded their own items. Tress lying is a big deal, the rest of it happens at every school. And players have gotten suspended at other schools just the same.

The punishment some people want for osu just doesn't fit the crime, plain and simple.

I realize the hate for OSU is nationwide, but the reporting by some of the media on this has been laughable at best.

The NCAA couldn't prove anyone else knew about Bush. The OSU situation doesn't need investigated because it's all out there. It's really not as much of a media bias as many want to make it out to be.
Jul 8, 2011 11:01pm
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Jul 8, 2011 11:06 PM
thedynasty1998;825224 wrote:The NCAA couldn't prove anyone else knew about Bush. The OSU situation doesn't need investigated because it's all out there. It's really not as much of a media bias as many want to make it out to be.

Didn't have every reporter there was running out there either
Jul 8, 2011 11:06pm
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Jul 8, 2011 11:08 PM
thedynasty1998;825207 wrote:The OSU situation is worse. USC was the result of one player that no coaches knew about. OSU is about multiple players, along with Clarett, Smith and O'Brien along with the lying and cover up of a coach. That's not mentioning the knowingly playing of ineligible players for an entire season.

Honestly, I don't see how anyone could think OSU isn't worse than USC.

That was pretty much Rod Gilmore's main point today. He said that this is worse than USC for the reasons you stated and that he expects the NCAA to come down hard on OSU because of it. However, they also mentioned that the NCAA handles each situation on a case-by-case basis meaning that precedent set shouldn't come into play that much so who really knows.
Jul 8, 2011 11:08pm
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Jul 8, 2011 11:11 PM
Also, not sure if this has been posted already but OSU will no longer award items such as Gold Pants until a student-athlete has completed their football eligibility.
Jul 8, 2011 11:11pm
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Jul 8, 2011 11:12 PM
Midstate01;825230 wrote:Didn't have every reporter there was running out there either

What?
killer_ewok;825234 wrote:That was pretty much Rod Gilmore's main point today. He said that this is worse than USC for the reasons you stated and that he expects the NCAA to come down hard on OSU because of it. However, they also mentioned that the NCAA handles each situation on a case-by-case basis meaning that precedent set shouldn't come into play that much so who really knows.

Very true. I'm not saying the OSU punishment will be worse, but the crime certainly is.
Jul 8, 2011 11:12pm
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Jul 8, 2011 11:15 PM
killer_ewok;825234 wrote:That was pretty much Rod Gilmore's main point today. He said that this is worse than USC for the reasons you stated and that he expects the NCAA to come down hard on OSU because of it. However, they also mentioned that the NCAA handles each situation on a case-by-case basis meaning that precedent set shouldn't come into play that much so who really knows.

Rod Gilmore is an idiot. He actually suggested OSU should have self imposed a two year bowl ban. That's just ridiculous. If the NCAA does not amend the NOA to include LOIC, there are going to be a lot of pissed off haters on here. I don't envision much more than 10-12 scholly losses and possibly a one year bowl ban.
Jul 8, 2011 11:15pm
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Jul 8, 2011 11:17 PM
thedynasty1998;825207 wrote:The OSU situation is worse. USC was the result of one player that no coaches knew about.

The fact that Tressel lied is what makes it worse (the NCAA acted as if a USC assistant did know and essentially forced him out). However, the NCAA has not mentioned the dreaded LOIC and that is what brought the hammer for them. USC didn't help themselves with the way they handled it - although they cooperated (even Carroll spoke to the NCAA), the AD made several statements that I believe really sunk them, acting as though the NCAA wouldn't touch USC. I could be wrong, but they didn't really offer up any self-imposed punishment and pretty much acted like it was all going to blow over. I think, they just really pissed off the NCAA.

Though OSU has looked kind of stupid by staggering their self-imposed penalties (the two games to then five to then fired), I think they ultimately landed in a pretty good spot as far as being able to say, we recognize the issue and we've dealt with it. I previously thought the fact that they pressed for the bowl game eligibility would be what stuck in the NCAA's crawl because it made the NCAA look ridiculous (on top of the decision, the fact that OSU pushed for it while Tressel knew all along). But OSU even took that away from itself. So, whether it is worse than USC or not (though again, being that LOIC was a factor at USC so I don't even think of OSU's situation as worse), I just don't see the NCAA piling on a lot more.
Jul 8, 2011 11:17pm
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Jul 8, 2011 11:18 PM
dat dude;825247 wrote:Rod Gilmore is an idiot. He actually suggested OSU should have self imposed a two year bowl ban. That's just ridiculous. If the NCAA does not amend the NOA to include LOIC, there are going to be a lot of pissed off haters on here. I don't envision much more than 10-12 scholly losses and possibly a one year bowl ban.
Maybe so. I guess we'll just have to wait until August 12th to see what actually happens.
Jul 8, 2011 11:18pm
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Jul 8, 2011 11:22 PM
dat dude;825247 wrote: I don't envision much more than 10-12 scholly losses and possibly a one year bowl ban.

I think that sounds about right, although those scholarships would be over a few years. 3-4 scholly'sper year.
Jul 8, 2011 11:22pm
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Jul 8, 2011 11:49 PM
OSU's case is not worse than USC.

USC did NOT cooperate like OSU did. Even when they knew what had gone on, they didn't invite the NCAA in to gather information and talk about punishment. The stonewalled that whole case for several YEARS until Bush went to court and the evidence was handed to the NCAA on a silver platter.

Dynasty rattles off names like Clarett, Smith and O'Brien like those have anything to do with what's being alleged NOW. They don't.

This is about what was outlined in the letter and -- to this point -- nothing else. OSU's response and proposed punishment is about the allegations in the letter and -- to this point -- nothing else.

Unless something else is PROVEN...there likely won't be much more punishment than what OSU has proposed.

All that garbage that was thrown out there by several media outlets is 99 percent unproven. It's NOTHING at this point. Unless proof can be found, it will remain NOTHING.

If, in fact, Ohio State does not incur any further punishment (my fondest hope, of course) it will be an absolute pleasure to watch heads on ESPN, CNN-SI, here and elsewhere explode with "righteous indignation".
Jul 8, 2011 11:49pm
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Jul 8, 2011 11:51 PM
LOL at OSU's situation being called worse than USCs
Jul 8, 2011 11:51pm
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Jul 8, 2011 11:59 PM
Pick6;825289 wrote:LOL at OSU's situation being called worse than USCs

Especially since USC didn't self-impose sanctions and dragged the whole thing out over 8 years. OSU found out, like in Aprile or May, and they already are fully cooperating with the NCAA and self imposing sanctions.

You can bookmark the following comment:

There will be NO POST SEASON BANS, period. I could see losing 3-4 scholarships TOTAL, but nothing more.
Jul 8, 2011 11:59pm
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Jul 9, 2011 12:25 AM
sleeper;825294 wrote:Especially since USC didn't self-impose sanctions and dragged the whole thing out over 8 years. OSU found out, like in Aprile or May, and they already are fully cooperating with the NCAA and self imposing sanctions.

You can bookmark the following comment:

There will be NO POST SEASON BANS, period. I could see losing 3-4 scholarships TOTAL, but nothing more.

pretty much agree. i dont see the NCAA punishing us much more than we already have ourselves. All the pessimists make me laugh
Jul 9, 2011 12:25am
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Jul 9, 2011 1:12 AM
BigAppleBuckeye;824702 wrote:Agreed, but was surprised by vacating the bowl win, as the NCAA allowed those players to play that game.

that was before the NCAA knew about the cover up
Jul 9, 2011 1:12am
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Jul 9, 2011 5:51 AM
Pick6;825316 wrote:pretty much agree. i dont see the NCAA punishing us much more than we already have ourselves. All the pessimists make me laugh
USC lost 30 scholarships for the actions of one player. I would be very surprised if OSU doesn't lose a ton as well, especially considering there were multiple players involved AND a coach who lied about the entire thing and played them the entire year knowing they did it. Call me a hater if you want...

Dez Bryant was suspended for an entire season for doing something that was found not to even be an infraction later. OSU's players DID do things that are an infraction and are only suspended 5 games.

I think the NCAA will put some hurt on OSU just for the way they have handled everything so far. From the lies, to the weak punishments (which were later increased ONLY because they were ridiculed), to cutting Tressel a 'retirement' break instead of firing him, all have been a big middle finger pointed towards the NCAA. Gee and Smith are snakes in the grass if you ask me, and I honestly with they would have been canned for the way this has been handled. There is some sort of connection between what has happened, who knew what, and the special treatment they have given Tressel by waiving the fine (after Gee said he would definitely pay it just last month), and offering him retirement status. There was definitely some ass-covering going on.
Jul 9, 2011 5:51am
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Jul 9, 2011 7:54 AM
Pick6;825316 wrote:pretty much agree. i dont see the NCAA punishing us much more than we already have ourselves. All the pessimists make me laugh

this..can't wait for this to be over and the season to begin...GO BUCKS!!!!!
Jul 9, 2011 7:54am
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Jul 9, 2011 8:35 AM
Writerbuckeye;825288 wrote:OSU's case is not worse than USC.

USC did NOT cooperate like OSU did. Even when they knew what had gone on, they didn't invite the NCAA in to gather information and talk about punishment. The stonewalled that whole case for several YEARS until Bush went to court and the evidence was handed to the NCAA on a silver platter.

Dynasty rattles off names like Clarett, Smith and O'Brien like those have anything to do with what's being alleged NOW. They don't.

This is about what was outlined in the letter and -- to this point -- nothing else. OSU's response and proposed punishment is about the allegations in the letter and -- to this point -- nothing else.

Unless something else is PROVEN...there likely won't be much more punishment than what OSU has proposed.

All that garbage that was thrown out there by several media outlets is 99 percent unproven. It's NOTHING at this point. Unless proof can be found, it will remain NOTHING.

If, in fact, Ohio State does not incur any further punishment (my fondest hope, of course) it will be an absolute pleasure to watch heads on ESPN, CNN-SI, here and elsewhere explode with "righteous indignation".

The names I rattled off do matter. The NCAA has already said that OSU is considered a repeat offender because they were still on probation from O'Brien.

So you would be wrong.
Jul 9, 2011 8:35am
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Jul 9, 2011 9:13 AM
Every case that has involved the same kind of violations that OSU is facing has basically resulted in vacated wins and probation.

Unless the NCAA comes back with an amendment to their letter of allegations (possible) I don't see this as anywhere close to the situation USC found itself in, and I don't see further sanctions coming.

Typically, the NCAA goes by precedents when it hands out penalties, that's why OSU hired the firm it did when all this broke; a firm the NCAA respects and is used to working with in setting the parameters for penalties. I doubt they're going to throw all of that, and OSU's cooperation, under the bus because an OSU basketball coach couldn't mind his p's and q's nearly a decade ago. They're more likely to look at what happened now, how OSU reported it, how quickly they investigated, invited the NCAA to investigate, and responded.

Could I be wrong? Yep. And if the NCAA hammers OSU after it self-reported and cooperated as it did (as compared to how USC handled things) here's the message they send to every other NCAA school: may as well delay, be uncooperative and take your time because it won't make a damn bit of difference in what penalties you end up getting.

I doubt they want to send that message and make their job way more difficult than it already is.
Jul 9, 2011 9:13am
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Jul 9, 2011 10:27 AM
So you concede that the O'Brien case is relevant?
Jul 9, 2011 10:27am
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Jul 9, 2011 10:29 AM
And why be so sure OSU self reported? Would they have reported if Yahoo wasn't digging around? I think we give them too much credit for that.
Jul 9, 2011 10:29am
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Jul 9, 2011 10:36 AM
Yahoo didn't break the story. OSU was already working on an announcement of the violations when Yahoo found out about it. All Yahoo's involvement accomplished was speeding up the process by a few days.

No, I'm not conceding O'Brien's actions are relevant. Did you not read my post? I'm saying history shows the NCAA tends to follow precedent on these matters.
Jul 9, 2011 10:36am