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dave

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Jun 29, 2011 11:35 AM
If you ride Gomes through his slump you have to ride him while he's hot. Heisey didn't exactly light it up other than 1 game. The other problem is Lewis is playing well and he knows how to work the count, he's the only guy who is an ideal leadoff hitter right now. I'd be giving Stubbs and Bruce a little more time off, mainly Stubbs.
Jun 29, 2011 11:35am
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thavoice

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Jun 29, 2011 11:35 AM
Cannot argue those points, and that was what I was thinking as well.
Jun 29, 2011 11:35am
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crab42

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Jun 29, 2011 11:50 AM
It's only a matter of time before Gomes ends up back in the gutter... He's valuable against LHP but if you give him extended ABs he eventually becomes exposed. Heisey still hasn't been given the chance to be a consistent starter. You can't judge a guy on 3 or 4 starts in a row.

As for Stubbs and Bruce, I'd play them everyday... Stubbs is going through a spell where he's stuggling to make contact but his defense, speed, and slugging is something this lineup needs. Especially when you're getting next to nothing from SS, 3rd, and LF (about half the time). Bruce hasn't been the same player he was in May, but Votto has struggled in front of him and it seems that everyone in the lineup has had a prolonged slump. He's still riding an .850 OPS and bringing plus defense. I don't think the Gomes, Heisey, Lewis triumvirate is an answer to the Bruce-Stubbs question.
Jun 29, 2011 11:50am
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Jun 29, 2011 11:54 AM
Both Bruce and Stubbs did a nice job of adjusting to Price and compacting the swing to make good contact late in the game.
Jun 29, 2011 11:54am
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crab42

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Jun 29, 2011 12:02 PM
Stubbs is a guess hitter at this point in his career... When he's confindent and guessing right the results are much different. I would like to see him trust himself more as a hitter to read and react to the pitch, but that could come with experience. If not he's a .250/.330/.450 guy that will play a gold glove CF. Not a leadoff hitter, but that would look real nice in 5-6-7 hole. Even with the strikeout total climbing, he's much more of an offensive force than the guy hitting cleanup today.
Jun 29, 2011 12:02pm
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thavoice

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Jun 29, 2011 12:05 PM
Waas stubbs a K victim in the minors?

If so, I dont think we will see much improvement in that aspect of his game.

Man, when he was going well, quite a few games with 2+ tims on base, this team is rolling. I would love for him to clean up his game offensively a little bit and be able to be leadoff, but most likely is better in the 5+ hole
Jun 29, 2011 12:05pm
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Jun 29, 2011 12:10 PM
I've been disappointed in Heisey since he has been getting regular PT. However I would agree he really needs another week to prove he can or can't play everyday. Too early at this point.

Lewis has been solid in his limited PT though. Dude knows how to work the count
Jun 29, 2011 12:10pm
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dave

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Jun 29, 2011 12:13 PM
I believe Stubbs has always struck out a lot. He got up here based solely on his D and the shitty play of Willy T.

Heisey I don't think K'ed much. He also never really was that impressive outside that one great half year he had at AA when he was named player of the year. That's why Walt and Dusty haven't really given him a fair shot.
Jun 29, 2011 12:13pm
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Jun 29, 2011 12:13 PM
thavoice;817509 wrote:Waas stubbs a K victim in the minors?

If so, I dont think we will see much improvement in that aspect of his game.

Man, when he was going well, quite a few games with 2+ tims on base, this team is rolling. I would love for him to clean up his game offensively a little bit and be able to be leadoff, but most likely is better in the 5+ hole
Stubbs struck out alot in the minors as well.
Jun 29, 2011 12:13pm
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crab42

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Jun 29, 2011 12:14 PM
Stubbs always struck out at an elevated rate in the minors... Don't get me wrong, he's not going to be a slap hitter but his K's really don't concern me. He always had a decent walk rate and until this recent stretch he kept that up even with his K's. I think he'll improve a little bit because he has great bat speed but he's not a Juan Pierre type of guy. And I really don't want him to become a bunting/slap hitter... I think he's more productive as a walking/k-ing/slugging gold glove outfielder hitting a little further down in the order.
Jun 29, 2011 12:14pm
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thavoice

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Jun 29, 2011 12:22 PM
Thought it was him who Kd alot. Just isnt a leadoff guy. He got into a rut there where he looked like Gomes in swinging at awful pitches he couldnt hit with a boat ore.
Jun 29, 2011 12:22pm
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Jun 29, 2011 12:26 PM
Votto should be shot for getting picked off like that.


Edinson has a pretty solid 1st.
Jun 29, 2011 12:26pm
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Jun 29, 2011 12:28 PM
wildcats20;817547 wrote:Votto should be shot for getting picked off like that.


Edinson has a pretty solid 1st.

Any FIRST inning where Edinson doesn't go through hell is a good thing.
Jun 29, 2011 12:28pm
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crab42

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Jun 29, 2011 12:28 PM
If Stubbs had a high BA and OBP, he'd be one of the most valuable players in all of baseball... He is what he is... Stick him in the 5-6 hole and enjoy what he can do and don't dwell on what he can't is my advice to Reds fans.
Jun 29, 2011 12:28pm
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crab42

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Jun 29, 2011 12:36 PM
It's the 2nd inning and I'm ready to switch over to the Rays radio broadcast... Marty and Cowbitch are driving me crazy! When they played the Yankees I listened to John Sterling and was more jealous over the Yanks radio broadcast than their payroll.
Jun 29, 2011 12:36pm
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Jun 29, 2011 12:40 PM
Yeah I don't mind Stubbs striking out nearly as much as other posters. I know what he can bring to the table and I accept the Ks. He's not perfect but he should improve
Jun 29, 2011 12:40pm
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Jun 29, 2011 12:48 PM
crab42;817559 wrote:It's the 2nd inning and I'm ready to switch over to the Rays radio broadcast... Marty and Cowbitch are driving me crazy! When they played the Yankees I listened to John Sterling and was more jealous over the Yanks radio broadcast than their payroll.

Can you not WATCH it?

Not that Kelch and Welsh are any good though.
Jun 29, 2011 12:48pm
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Jun 29, 2011 12:51 PM
Don't mind the K's when he isn't in the leadoff spot. When at the top of the order, he has to do a better job of working count and putting ball in play. He is not a leadoff hitter at this point, Fred Lewis IMO is best suited for it. Swing is shorter, works gap to gap.
Jun 29, 2011 12:51pm
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crab42

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Jun 29, 2011 12:56 PM
wildcats20;817571 wrote:Can you not WATCH it?

Not that Kelch and Welsh are any good though.
Nope, I'm at work... I have the MLB at bat app on the Iphone going. I like Kelch and Welsh... Kelch calls the game and Creeper normally avoids ignorant rants about player's shortcomings.
Jun 29, 2011 12:56pm
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Jun 29, 2011 12:59 PM
crab42;817584 wrote:Nope, I'm at work... I have the MLB at bat app on the Iphone going. I like Kelch and Welsh... Kelch calls the game and Creeper normally avoids ignorant rants about player's shortcomings.

Well I went to Reds.com and there was a live look in. Not sure how long it lasted though, I closed it right away.
Jun 29, 2011 12:59pm
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Jun 29, 2011 1:06 PM
Lessons in Futility (How to botch a great start to an inning) by the Cincinnati Reds.

Votto singles, Rolen Singles,

now Bruce K on 3 pitches
Gomes K
and likely a pop up
Jun 29, 2011 1:06pm
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Jun 29, 2011 1:07 PM
Really good at bats by votto and rolen followed by terrible at bats by Bruce and Gomes
Jun 29, 2011 1:07pm
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Jun 29, 2011 1:08 PM
I know he is Jay Bruce, but James Shields has thrown 3 complete game shut outs. Put a dent in the scoreboard early. Bunt the runners to 2nd and 3rd, then Johnny Shortens up and puts a ball in play. 1-0 with two outs runner on 2nd, maybe Hanigan gets something through.

They are playing baseball like its 1998, gorilla ball is done. Manufacture manufacture manufacture.
Jun 29, 2011 1:08pm
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Jun 29, 2011 1:09 PM
Hanigan bails out Bruce and Gomes.
Jun 29, 2011 1:09pm
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Jun 29, 2011 1:09 PM
Nice!!
Jun 29, 2011 1:09pm