wildcats20
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Jun 28, 2011 9:41pm
Welp they missed that one.
He was in.
He was in.
wildcats20
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Jun 28, 2011 9:41pm
Midstate01;816746 wrote:If you are gonna dive and get your glove on it. Gotta catch it. I'm
Not saying he sucks for not, just saying either know you are gonna catch it or let it drop.
He didn't really get a glove on it. I think it bounced first.
se-alum
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Jun 28, 2011 9:43pm
Laley23;816739 wrote:Yes, it was. But it also took a chest high hop, and he didnt have to move an inch. Ive seen balls hit that hard to 3rd and ruled a hit.
Yea, but a backhand pick on a rocket isn't an ordinary effort, even though most SS's come up w/ that ball.
jordo212000
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Jun 28, 2011 9:44pm
I understand sending him. But I would have probably kept him at first. Farnsworth is good for a meltdown every so often and we had something cookingI say send him Dusty.
Get him into scoring position.
se-alum
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Jun 28, 2011 9:44pm
wildcats20;816747 wrote:Welp they missed that one.
He was in.
Figures, right after I talk them up.
Laley23
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Jun 28, 2011 9:44pm
Why wouldnt you dive there? Its not like a liner that is going to go all the way to the wall or into a gap or anything. It was a bloop. Literally, the ONLY bad thing that could happen did. Just bad luck that it hit the tip of the glove after the bounce and when a rollin.
wildcats20
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Jun 28, 2011 9:44pm
Fuck that.
Terry_Tate
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Jun 28, 2011 9:45pm
Fuck.
wildcats20
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Jun 28, 2011 9:45pm
Laley23;816753 wrote:Why wouldnt you dive there? Its not like a liner that is going to go all the way to the wall or into a gap or anything. It was a bloop. Literally, the ONLY bad thing that could happen did. Just bad luck that it hit the tip of the glove after the bounce and when a rollin.
Because if you let it drop only 1 run scores. Even if he dove and caught it on the short hop, both runs would have scored.
Midstate01
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Jun 28, 2011 9:45pm
Only the fuckin reds
Ironman92
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Jun 28, 2011 9:46pm
2 things being argued a touch
1st.....the ball to the SS was an error, it was ripped, but he never had to move. Had that run scored it would've remained an error to save a little ERA for a potential CY candidate.....had it been Longoria vying for a gold glove....maybe it goes the other way....reasons aside....it's an error in the big leagues.
2. No way in hell Heisey can do anything else....if he doesn't dive after that ball he gets blasted by his teammates and manager and this board blows up.
1st.....the ball to the SS was an error, it was ripped, but he never had to move. Had that run scored it would've remained an error to save a little ERA for a potential CY candidate.....had it been Longoria vying for a gold glove....maybe it goes the other way....reasons aside....it's an error in the big leagues.
2. No way in hell Heisey can do anything else....if he doesn't dive after that ball he gets blasted by his teammates and manager and this board blows up.
Midstate01
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Jun 28, 2011 9:46pm
wildcats20;816748 wrote:He didn't really get a glove on it. I think it bounced first.
No it went right off the inside of the top of his glove
Laley23
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Jun 28, 2011 9:46pm
wildcats20;816756 wrote:Because if you let it drop only 1 run scores. Even if he dove and caught it on the short hop, both runs would have scored.
STRONGLY disagree a dunner from first there scores if it doesnt roll away. If he tried, he would have been toast.
swamisez
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Jun 28, 2011 9:46pm
What happened? all the gamecast feeds are behind, no idea what happened in 9th?
wildcats20
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Jun 28, 2011 9:47pm
swamisez;816761 wrote:What happened? all the gamecast feeds are behind, no idea what happened in 9th?
Longoria just hit a walk off
Laley23
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Jun 28, 2011 9:47pm
Ironman92;816758 wrote:2 things being argued a touch
1st.....the ball to the SS was an error, it was ripped, but he never had to move. Had that run scored it would've remained an error to save a little ERA for a potential CY candidate.....had it been Longoria vying for a gold glove....maybe it goes the other way....reasons aside....it's an error in the big leagues.
2. No way in hell Heisey can do anything else....if he doesn't dive after that ball he gets blasted by his teammates and manager and this board blows up.
Boom. The man speaks the truth!
jordo212000
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Jun 28, 2011 9:47pm
Obviously knowing what we know now, he shouldn't have dove, because he kicked the ball away. However, he had no chance to catch that ball.
I'd like to see of Janish could have tracked that down. Renteria really didn't try too hard and he got relatively close to the action
I'd like to see of Janish could have tracked that down. Renteria really didn't try too hard and he got relatively close to the action
wildcats20
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Jun 28, 2011 9:48pm
Yeah, I'm thinking Janish could have got it.
Like you said Jordo, Edgar is old and slow and was pretty close.
Like you said Jordo, Edgar is old and slow and was pretty close.
TigerNation10
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Jun 28, 2011 9:48pm
Longoria walk off
Midstate01
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Jun 28, 2011 9:48pm
jordo212000;816766 wrote:Obviously knowing what we know now, he shouldn't have dove, because he kicked the ball away. However, he had no chance to catch that ball.
I'd like to see of Janish could have tracked that down. Renteria really didn't try too hard and he got relatively close to the action
I'm guessing he heard heisey calling for it. Either way he made a hell of try.
Can't believe we keep blowing games....
swamisez
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Jun 28, 2011 9:49pm
Sheesh. That one hurts. I feel bad for Cueto.
Laley23
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Jun 28, 2011 9:49pm
jordo212000;816766 wrote:Obviously knowing what we know now, he shouldn't have dove, because he kicked the ball away. However, he had no chance to catch that ball.
I'd like to see of Janish could have tracked that down. Renteria really didn't try too hard and he got relatively close to the action
He HAD no chance but going full speed, you think he can tell he will come up 6 inches short. I know its a moot point, but he pull sup there and everyone assumes a dive is a catch. With a chance for a win versus a dominant David Price, series win, in the 8th with 2 outs....you gotta try for that ball.
jordo212000
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Jun 28, 2011 9:51pm
I know he had no chance and I know you can't make that decision going full speed. He made it a very close play.Obviously knowing what we know now, he shouldn't have dove, because he kicked the ball away. However, he had no chance to catch that ball.
I'd like to see of Janish could have tracked that down. Renteria really didn't try too hard and he got relatively close to the action
He HAD no chance but going full speed, you think he can tell he will come up 6 inches short. I know its a moot point, but he pull sup there and everyone assumes a dive is a catch. With a chance for a win versus a dominant David Price, series win, in the 8th with 2 outs....you gotta try for that ball.
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mhs95_06
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Jun 28, 2011 9:52pm
Reds pitching and defense can't hold the situations that the offenses achieved in the top of the 8th and top of the 9th. Tough, tough loss! That would have been true whether Heisey went for the catch or not. You have to try for the catch. Try to win the game, especially on the road, and don't play to keep from losing it! If the Rays just tie it in the 8th, then you are the situation a team pops one out, like they did, and it is a walk-off win. Got to go for the catch every time - just bad luck it allowed a 2nd run in. Did anybody see how good a jump Heisey got on the ball?
Ironman92
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Jun 28, 2011 9:53pm
I simply cannot believe you guys are saying he should not dive on that play....if you can dive and touch it....you have to go for it. You cannot play that ball that way. He catches that and they still are leading. Cueto pitched his ass off and if Heisey ( who has battled for PT all season with 2 others) doesn't dive for that ball....you are not battling for your pitcher. He was running 100% full speed and gave a full extension dive.....100% correct and I apologize for being a stubborn prick about this but no way in he'll don't you dive for that particular ball.