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Jun 16, 2011 10:58 AM
I hope I'm wrong....but I smelling a big letdown series. It just has all of the makings.
Jun 16, 2011 10:58am
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Jun 16, 2011 11:44 AM
YOURE WRONG!! Reds sweep.
Jun 16, 2011 11:44am
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Jun 16, 2011 12:03 PM
Reds win Friday and Saturday and lose Sunday. Votto and Stubbs both have good series.
Jun 16, 2011 12:03pm
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Jun 16, 2011 12:03 PM
We'll see.
Jun 16, 2011 12:03pm
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Jun 16, 2011 2:13 PM
Reds are hawt right now, I see at the very least 2 out of 3.

That Lind guy for Toronto has been en fuego, gotta keep him tame because you know Bautista will hit 8 HRs in GABP.
Jun 16, 2011 2:13pm
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Jun 16, 2011 3:29 PM
For the first time since maybe the first week or two the offense and pitching seem to be coming together at the same time. Hopefully there is not letdown!!

Side note.....Are any of the games against the Yanks slated for national tv??
Jun 16, 2011 3:29pm
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Jun 16, 2011 4:02 PM
Yes monday night is on espn
Jun 16, 2011 4:02pm
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Jun 16, 2011 4:12 PM
We'll be lucky to win 1 of the 3
Jun 16, 2011 4:12pm
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Jun 16, 2011 4:13 PM
Game 1

Blue Jays 9
Reds 3

Game 2

Reds 6
Blue Jays 5

Game 3

Blue Jays 11
Reds 2
Jun 16, 2011 4:13pm
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Jun 16, 2011 4:47 PM
Former Red Zach Stewart made a very impressive debut for Toronto today, he was the centerpiece to the Rolen trade.

Encarnacion and Patterson will be in town, EE is basically a DH though so he may not play.

I think the Reds take 2 of 3, they played well against the Brewers when they got back from their last long road trip.
Jun 16, 2011 4:47pm
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Jun 16, 2011 5:52 PM
Did they do really good on their last road trip before playing the Brewers?
Jun 16, 2011 5:52pm
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Jun 16, 2011 5:53 PM
Lol I can't believe Patterson is still around. I've got to give him credit, last time I looked he was putting up solid numbers in Toronto
Jun 16, 2011 5:53pm
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Jun 16, 2011 6:01 PM
Really don't think how they played on the roadie matters for tomorrow. It's more about how the trip back and day off affect how they feel tomorrow. If you want to go by past results, the 2 times they've swept a series they've won the next 2 games as well.
Jun 16, 2011 6:01pm
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Jun 16, 2011 7:01 PM
interesting quote from BP today:

"It’s going to be hard to keep me here … I’m not trying to break the bank. I’m just trying to be fair. I don’t want Jayson Werth money or CC Sabathia money.”
Jun 16, 2011 7:01pm
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Jun 16, 2011 7:12 PM
At age 26, Robinson Cano signed a 6-year, 55 million dollar deal.

Brandon Phillips, right now, is 29-years old. He's one of the top 3 second baseman in MLB and the best defensive player at his position. He's a well-liked player who from all reports, has been a leader on and off the field.

Therefore, HE'S RIGHT. If the Reds are serious about winning big, you keep him here and you pay him comparable money to what Cano got, at least for the next 3-4 years.
Jun 16, 2011 7:12pm
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Jun 16, 2011 7:36 PM
Before the season I thought the Reds could survive just fine by replacing him with Valaika or Cozart, but now I completely have changed my opinion. They have to have Phillips.

Get him paid Jocketty
Jun 16, 2011 7:36pm
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Jun 16, 2011 8:20 PM
That Cano contract is not a valid comparable, pretty sure that bought out his last 2 or 3 years of arbitration. BP will get more than $9mil a year even though he is a little older. Cano and Utley are both going to make close to $15mil over the next few years
Jun 16, 2011 8:20pm
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Jun 16, 2011 9:35 PM
Homer got roughed up tonight, he'll need another start in AAA. Cozart and Sappelt continue to dominate.
Jun 16, 2011 9:35pm
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Jun 16, 2011 9:37 PM
dave;805057 wrote:Homer got roughed up tonight, he'll need another start in AAA. Cozart and Sappelt continue to dominate.

1 hr and 10 singles. A lot of those singles become outs in the bigs. Not worried.
Jun 16, 2011 9:37pm
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Jun 16, 2011 9:41 PM
justincredible;805061 wrote:1 hr and 10 singles. A lot of those singles become outs in the bigs. Not worried.

I would be interested in hearing what the circumstances were behind all of those hits.

I pretty much agree though, one tough luck start in AAA doesn't mean you aren't ready. If he is 100% healthy, I see no reason why he shouldn't be back in the big leagues. He's already proven he can be a solid big league starter, it would be asinine to "punish" him for a bad start by keeping him in AAA
Jun 16, 2011 9:41pm
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Jun 16, 2011 11:44 PM
jordo212000;805074 wrote:I would be interested in hearing what the circumstances were behind all of those hits.

I pretty much agree though, one tough luck start in AAA doesn't mean you aren't ready. If he is 100% healthy, I see no reason why he shouldn't be back in the big leagues. He's already proven he can be a solid big league starter, it would be asinine to "punish" him for a bad start by keeping him in AAA

Who is he going to replace? If he still has re-hab time coming, why not wait until thee is someone worthy of being replaced, or a new injury happens. Make him be lights out in AAA, before you replace someone not worthy of being replaced.
Jun 16, 2011 11:44pm
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Jun 16, 2011 11:48 PM
Azubuike24;804946 wrote:At age 26, Robinson Cano signed a 6-year, 55 million dollar deal.

Brandon Phillips, right now, is 29-years old. He's one of the top 3 second baseman in MLB and the best defensive player at his position. He's a well-liked player who from all reports, has been a leader on and off the field.

Therefore, HE'S RIGHT. If the Reds are serious about winning big, you keep him here and you pay him comparable money to what Cano got, at least for the next 3-4 years.

BP is already making over $11 million this year. Based on that, the price needed will be well over his current salary. Reds can't keep everyone without being un-smart and breaking the bank. Attendance is no where near being able to spend more.
Jun 16, 2011 11:48pm
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Jun 17, 2011 8:45 AM
mhs95_06;805225 wrote:BP is already making over $11 million this year. Based on that, the price needed will be well over his current salary. Reds can't keep everyone without being un-smart and breaking the bank. Attendance is no where near being able to spend more.

Agreed. But you have to figure that Votto will be gone in a few years. You can't keep everyone. But you can't let everyone get away as well.
Jun 17, 2011 8:45am
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Jun 17, 2011 8:59 AM
sherm03;805370 wrote:Agreed. But you have to figure that Votto will be gone in a few years. You can't keep everyone. But you can't let everyone get away as well.
I'm not so sure about Votto leaving. He's not a big market personality, so they may make it easier for the Reds to keep him.
Jun 17, 2011 8:59am
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Jun 17, 2011 9:31 AM
I'm not saying he gets a similar deal. I'm saying that Cano deal, BEFORE he was a free agent, is comparable to where you start. Remember, Phillips will sign his next contract at 30 or 31...not 26. So yes, a deal with similar value IS comparable. He isn't going to get a 5 or 6 year deal. However, a deal worth say 40-45M over 3-4 years is more than fair. 3 years/40-42M or 4 years/45-48M, etc...

Cano is also a better hitter, plays in the AL and is in New York. So using him as a baseline for a deal can be slightly off...but still.
Jun 17, 2011 9:31am