^^^I heard an interview with Andy Geiger who in essence said the same thing--I'll try and find the link

not the Geiger link, but an article today by Bob Hunter of the Dispatch

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2011/06/01/osu-players-deserve-more-blame-for-this-mess.html?sid=101

LJ;787335 wrote:So they are going to prove that they traded for drugs that are smoked up? And an audit isn't criminal. It's criminal when you refuse to pay them

I said IF they can prove it. They can prove it when the person admits to it because of pressure and the fear of facing other charges. A audit can bring criminal charges if they find proof of tax evasion and filing a false statement. Auditing a company is the easiest way to make people divulge information about other crimes that may have been going on outside of the football players and it all comes back to the player violations being responsible for getting all of it started and bringing down more than a coach and a couple of players. Theft of University property is criminal and the University had stated earlier that someone had stolen players football equipment from the locker room, that belongs to the school.

vball10set;787557 wrote:not the Geiger link, but an article today by Bob Hunter of the Dispatch

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2011/06/01/osu-players-deserve-more-blame-for-this-mess.html?sid=101

I agree to a point, but they are also actions that the coach never put a firm foot down on.

password;787558 wrote:I said IF they can prove it. They can prove it when the person admits to it because of pressure and the fear of facing other charges.

What other charges? "hi, we heard that you traded some stuff for weed, now we don't have any proof, but you should admit to it before we charge you for not admitting to it" :rolleyes:

A audit can bring criminal charges if they find proof of tax evasion and filing a false statement.

An audit isn't criminal. I stand by that factual statement

Auditing a company is the easiest way to make people divulge information about other crimes that may have been going on outside of the football players and it all comes back to the player violations being responsible for getting all of it started and bringing down more than a coach and a couple of players.

So the FBI investigation was???

Theft of University property is criminal and the University had stated earlier that someone had stolen players football equipment from the locker room, that belongs to the school.

Never debated that

LJ;787564 wrote:I agree to a point, but they are also actions that the coach never put a firm foot down on.

exactly---turning a blind eye only encourages these kids

vball10set;787570 wrote:exactly---turning a blind eye only encourages these kids

The more you give the more they take.

hey lotz, you won't believe this...

Sports Illustrated quoted a tattoo-parlor employee, who asked not to be named for fear of retribution, as saying that nine other current Ohio State players swapped memorabilia or autographs for tattoos or money.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2011/06/01/osu-players-deserve-more-blame-for-this-mess.html?sid=101

LJ;787567 wrote:What other charges? "hi, we heard that you traded some stuff for weed, now we don't have any proof, but you should admit to it before we charge you for not admitting to it" :rolleyes:

You don't need the guy receiving the weed to admit to the crime, all you need is witnesses to get things started. If you needed a confession for every crime, there would be a lot less criminals in jail.I know you are more knowledgeable about how things work, but you can keep debating it for the sake of arguing.

LJ;787567 wrote:An audit isn't criminal. I stand by that factual statement So the FBI investigation was???

The audit itself is not criminal, but the findings may be and that is when people start offering up information.

LJ;787567 wrote:So the FBI investigation was???

The investigation was about 1 drug dealing parlor owner dealing drugs, but things could expand beyond that one guy with new allegations coming out.

password;787787 wrote:You don't need the guy receiving the weed to admit to the crime, all you need is witnesses to get things started. If you needed a confession for every crime, there would be a lot less criminals in jail.I know you are more knowledgeable about how things work, but you can keep debating it for the sake of arguing.

Yeah, but you need evidence. They aren't going to go out and issue misdemenor dimebag tickets based solely off of verbal evidence of a non-cop. Probably one of the funniest things I have ever heard argued. Basically, you're digging so deep for this it's hilarious

The investigation was about 1 drug dealing parlor owner dealing drugs, but things could expand beyond that one guy with new allegations coming out.

Is this like your inside info about the players being indicted in the drug trafficking? New allegations huh?

LJ;787469 wrote:So because someone else refuses to believe what actually happened along with you they have "some sense"?

lol ok

no because they believe tressel just didnt get canned for hell of it. i'm sure those in charge at ohio state just said lets fire tressel because of accusation alone. who cares if there is any proof of wrong doing. yea right

KnightRyder;787806 wrote:no because they believe tressel just didnt get canned for hell of it. i'm sure those in charge at ohio state just said lets fire tressel because of accusation alone. who cares if there is any proof of wrong doing. yea right

You realized he was fired by the BOARD for the combination of tat 5 then lying about it then the car situation. You are the one saying the he was fired over accusations made by a reporter as told by felons and "Ellis". Now who is the one lacking sense?

LJ;787795 wrote:Yeah, but you need evidence. They aren't going to go out and issue misdemenor dimebag tickets based solely off of verbal evidence of a non-cop. Probably one of the funniest things I have ever heard argued. Basically, you're digging so deep for this it's hilarious

Why are you obsessed with the drugs? I said criminal charges, there could be charges against other people for other things, that all got started with this scandal going public.

LJ;787795 wrote:Is this like your inside info about the players being indicted in the drug trafficking? New allegations huh?

Looks like my info has been pretty good so far, this is only beginning to be made public and yes there will be more damaging stuff to come out and watch and see which asst.coaches are let go before this is over. I am an OSU fan, but I will not put on blinders for the sake of a corrupt coach and a couple of thugs that will bring down more than the football program.

password;787818 wrote:Why are you obsessed with the drugs? I said criminal charges, there could be charges against other people for other things, that all got started with this scandal going public.

I believe you brought it up there pal

password;787297 wrote:If they can prove that the players were trading their stuff for drugs

Looks like my info has been pretty good so far, this is only beginning to be made public and yes there will be more damaging stuff to come out and watch and see which asst.coaches are let go before this is over. I am an OSU fan, but I will not put on blinders for the sake of a corrupt coach and a couple of thugs that will bring down more than the football program.

So there have been players indicted on the drug trafficking? I'm not wearing blinders, I just think that you are typically not quite the best source for good opinions or info

vball10set;787515 wrote:^^^I read an interview with Andy Geiger, and I'll try and find the link

http://www.the-ozone.net/football/2011/Tresselaffair/geigerpiece_1.html

LJ;787808 wrote:You realized he was fired by the BOARD for the combination of tat 5 then lying about it then the car situation. You are the one saying the he was fired over accusations made by a reporter as told by felons and "Ellis". Now who is the one lacking sense?

according what i read here they had no proof on cars. and as far as lying about the tattoos they knew that from day one and yet gene smith and gordon gee were firmly behind tressel. i never said he was fired over accusations. i say there is more to the story. so you want to know who is lacking sense? you can find your answer in the nearest mirror.

KnightRyder;787879 wrote:according what i read here they had no proof on cars. and as far as lying about the tattoos they knew that from day one and yet gene smith and gordon gee were firmly behind tressel. i never said he was fired over accusations. i say there is more to the story. so you want to know who is lacking sense? you can find your answer in the nearest mirror.

Your hatred has made you insanely dense. Wexner pulled his support when he found out they were being investigated by the NCAA for the cars. Once again, not Gee nor Smith asked Tressel to resign, the BOARD did, their bosses. The board had wanted to ask for his resignation but Wexner stood behind him, as soon as he pulled his support, they pulled the trigger. Any other stupid shit you want to say?

The "there has to be more to it" shit is asinine. Why is it so difficult to understand that the black eye served up already was more than plenty to get most coaches canned at any university? Tressel was a hell of a coach and quite the spokesman, but he wasn't and never was bigger than the program...smh

ytownfootball;787896 wrote:The "there has to be more to it" shit is asinine. Why is it so difficult to understand that the black eye served up already was more than plenty to get most coaches canned at any university? Tressel was a hell of a coach and quite the spokesman, but he wasn't and never was bigger than the program...smh

There isn't an institution, anywhere, that would likely stand behind an embattled employee if the media were after that employee like they were after Tressel. Institutions, as a general rule, detest the spotlight and don't want everything focused on them for an extended period of time.

When the NCAA decided it wouldn't be until August before any determination was made on Tressel's violation -- he was basically a dead man walking.

LJ;787826 wrote:I believe you brought it up there pal

I brought it up because it has already been mentioned in the article and I am sure they will investigate deeper to find the truth, good or bad.

LJ;787826 wrote:So there have been players indicted on the drug trafficking? I'm not wearing blinders, I just think that you are typically not quite the best source for good opinions or info

No players indicted on drug dealing, but they have been mentioned with trading equipment for drugs and this will only get bigger, as for opinion or info, you have no idea where my info comes from, but I believe when it is all done and over with, you can go back and see where I am right on the money with my post. my information is what is being investigated and if there is no proof to be found then there can't be any charges. remember I said money, drugs, cars and asst. coaches along with businessmen being involved with this investigation, what comes out of it, we will have to wait and see. When this all started, most people on here kept claiming that it was all bullshit and Tressel was innocent and there was nothing else to worry about because he was a stand up guy who was being wronged by the media, they claimed it was a innocent mistake that happened only once. This story has many chapters, Tressel was chapter 1 and we are just getting to chapter 2 with Pryor and the cars, I wonder if Pryor and money show up in chapter 3 ? The cast of characters in this best selling book are numerous, some are well known and some are just your average Joe.

password;787965 wrote:I brought it up because it has already been mentioned in the article and I am sure they will investigate deeper to find the truth, good or bad.

So if you brought it up and admit to bringing it up, why ask

Why are you obsessed with the drugs?

Pick something and stick to it

No players indicted on drug dealing, but they have been mentioned with trading equipment for drugs and this will only get bigger, as for opinion or info, you have no idea where my info comes from, but I believe when it is all done and over with, you can go back and see where I am right on the money with my post.

Just like you were right about Gene Smith stepping down? Or the players being indicted for drugs? Doesn't your info come from your brother's friend's cousin's aunt's boyfriend who is a janitor at the bail bonds place next to the courthouse?

my information is what is being investigated and if there is no proof to be found then there can't be any charges. remember I said money, drugs, cars and asst. coaches along with businessmen being involved with this investigation, what comes out of it, we will have to wait and see. When this all started, most people on here kept claiming that it was all bullshit and Tressel was innocent and there was nothing else to worry about because he was a stand up guy who was being wronged by the media, they claimed it was a innocent mistake that happened only once. This story has many chapters, Tressel was chapter 1 and we are just getting to chapter 2 with Pryor and the cars, I wonder if Pryor and money show up in chapter 3 ? The cast of characters in this best selling book are numerous, some are well known and some are just your average Joe.

Some of that may very well be, but maybe you should say "I think this is what MAY happen" rather than passing all this junk off as fact. You've been wrong enough that I laugh at your posts anymore. Maybe you should stick to wondering if you should rape the passed out girl?

password;787965 wrote:I brought it up because it has already been mentioned in the article and I am sure they will investigate deeper to find the truth, good or bad.








No players indicted on drug dealing, but they have been mentioned with trading equipment for drugs and this will only get bigger, as for opinion or info, you have no idea where my info comes from, but I believe when it is all done and over with, you can go back and see where I am right on the money with my post. my information is what is being investigated and if there is no proof to be found then there can't be any charges. remember I said money, drugs, cars and asst. coaches along with businessmen being involved with this investigation, what comes out of it, we will have to wait and see. When this all started, most people on here kept claiming that it was all bullshit and Tressel was innocent and there was nothing else to worry about because he was a stand up guy who was being wronged by the media, they claimed it was a innocent mistake that happened only once. This story has many chapters, Tressel was chapter 1 and we are just getting to chapter 2 with Pryor and the cars, I wonder if Pryor and money show up in chapter 3 ? The cast of characters in this best selling book are numerous, some are well known and some are just your average Joe.

The thing I'm curious about is that Rife plead to a lessor sentence and in doing so he agreed to cooperate. The athletes might be small players but what happens when the Feds start asking Rife about how he was introduced, what went on and why players were hanging out there. Nothing good can come from those questions, if indeed they are asked.

I'll say it again, Jermil Martin is a guy to remember. I've heard he was the ring leader and if Rife is throwing him keys to his car, then Martin is certainly doing something for Rife.

thedynasty1998;788049 wrote:The thing I'm curious about is that Rife plead to a lessor sentence and in doing so he agreed to cooperate. The athletes might be small players but what happens when the Feds start asking Rife about how he was introduced, what went on and why players were hanging out there. Nothing good can come from those questions, if indeed they are asked.

I'll say it again, Jermil Martin is a guy to remember. I've heard he was the ring leader and if Rife is throwing him keys to his car, then Martin is certainly doing something for Rife.

Rife was an artist at Dudlyz or whatever, that's how they met him. How they got started at that place is the question. The connection to Rife is pretty simple and straight forward

LJ;788055 wrote:Rife was an artist at Dudlyz or whatever, that's how they met him. How they got started at that place is the question. The connection to Rife is pretty simple and straight forward

I thought Dudleyz shut down and they just ended up at Rifes. I never knew Rife worked there. Is that a fact?

And regardless, the question remains.

thedynasty1998;788058 wrote:I thought Dudleyz shut down and they just ended up at Rifes. I never knew Rife worked there. Is that a fact?

I believe that is how they know each other. I know in the indictment it is mentioned that Rife was selling merch to the Dudlyz owner and they had known each other for quite some time. If he didn't work there then the Dudlyz guy definitely pointed them towards Rife