jordo212000;787599 wrote:If so, this is the best cover up since JFK.
I tend to think that somebody would have been bound to come out if there were more people involved. Tress also wouldn't have accepted the fine and the forced resignation if this went above him. Gene Smith wouldnt have forced the resignation to begin with. When somebody has "the goods" on you, you don't strong arm them and make them look foolish in the media. Mainly because Tress could easily roll over on him
While I'm not 100% convinced this involves people above Tressel, I am reminded of one thing that makes the conspiracy/cover-up thingy possible: Jim Tressel absolutely loves The Ohio State University/ bleeds Scarlet & Gray/ whatever metaphor & cliche you want to use. I can see him (but again I'm not totally convinced) taking the fall entirely on himself to avoid further punishment/embarassment on the University.
Some will say, "Oh yeah, if that's his thought process, why didn't he resign a long time ago?" In response to that I would say he was prepared to go through the painful process with the team and the school of possible bowl bans, scholly reductions, etc., and didn't want to bail and take the easy way out (ala Pete Carroll). Go back to the Big 10 meetings a few weeks ago, or back to spring ball- JT absolutely did not look like someone that was about to walk away from anything.
Tobias Fünke;788227 wrote:If you think people hate Ohio State for simply being Ohio State or for being really good, you're a dumbass. People hate Ohio State for the same reason they hate SEC, the players are often stupid thugs, the coaches tend to be liars, and their fans are often loud and uninformed imbeciles...and because they play a seemingly weak Big Ten and people don't believe they deserve the praise..
You're right . . . Pat Fitzgerald, Joe Paterno, Kirk Ferentz . . . some of the biggest liars the world has ever seen.
And is there a fanbase of a big-time D-1 program (a successful one, not a Notre Dame-type one) that's "quiet" and "informed"?
Find a poll taken before this incident and see what it reads. Using that poll is like taking a poll on Harry Truman in the midst of the Korean War. The bump in hatred is Ohio State's doing, not previous hatred coalescing into some anger-driven media firestorm like so many of you seem to think. That is weak. People hate Ohio State right now because Ohio State's PR management of this entire situation has been a joke. They needed to get rid of Tressel a month or two ago, Gene Smith needs to be gone too. Ohio State, as a truly great university, deserves a coach who will teach his players right and wrong with punishments and have some fucking character and discipline. Things got too good for ol' Jimbo, with all of the winning and recruiting victories that he lost his moral balance and that's why he's no longer with us, in my opinion
Jim Tressel's no longer with us? Man, I have been away from my computer for awhile, I didn't realize he died- I just thought he resigned.
BTW, people hate Ohio State for the same reason I hated USC- they were really good for a really long time. If you think people hate Ohio State because of NCAA violations, then . . .
The older students generally hate the chant when it's not a gameday (at which point most are inebriated). I was at an Iron & Wine concert in the Union, and while Samuel Beam (it's a one-man band) was tuning his guitar between songs some schmuck in the crowd shouted "O-H!!!!" and people responded accordingly with "I-O!!" Sameul Beam paused and looked at the crowd. The student did it again, "O-H!!!!" and the people responded again, "I-O!" Samuel Beam asked "W-what is that? Some school thing?" The guy yelled it again, and for the third time people responded. Samuel Beam at this point stops with his guitar and asks "No, seriously...what the hell is that?" So the guy says "It's Ohio!!! O - H - I - O!"
