Nice quote from Clint. Obviously he didn't get the memo that the 2010 elections weren't about one solitary job. They were all all about social agenda.

stlouiedipalma;963821 wrote:Nice quote from Clint. Obviously he didn't get the memo that the 2010 elections weren't about one solitary job. They were all all about social agenda.

LOL...which election were you watching?

Mr. Eastwood:

All people have the "chance" to have the life they want but it's just a "chance". It's not a guarantee.

Respectfully,

The Framers of the Constitution

fish82;964100 wrote:LOL...which election were you watching?

Oh, that would be the one where Herr Boehner kept up the mantra of "Where are the jobs?". Apparently the only jobs he was speaking of were those of himself and his cronies.

"In God we Trust"
Same-sex marriage
Reading of the Constitution

Just a few of the "important" things which required the time, debate and votes of the House of Representatives. Jobs, not so much. Actually not at all.

And don't give me your usual knee-jerk BS about the Senate or Obama. These guys campaigned on jobs and the fools in their districts believed them. What a con-job.

stlouiedipalma;964121 wrote: And don't give me your usual knee-jerk BS about the Senate or Obama. These guys campaigned on jobs and the fools in their districts believed them. What a con-job.

It takes a real fool to look to a statist President and Congress, that are bought and paid for by special interests, to create jobs.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/11/09/obama_way_ahead_in_ohio.html

[h=2]Obama Way Ahead in Ohio[/h]A new Public Policy Polling survey in Ohio finds President Obama leading all of his Republican opponents by margins ranging from 9 to 17 points.

Obama leads Mitt Romney, 50% to 41%, tops Herman Cain, 50% to 39%, beats Newt Gingrich, 51% to 38% and crushes Rick Perry, 53% to 36%.

The same poll got the final result of the collective bargaining referendum correct to within one point.

Ty Webb;964739 wrote:http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/11/09/obama_way_ahead_in_ohio.html

Obama Way Ahead in Ohio

A new Public Policy Polling survey in Ohio finds President Obama leading all of his Republican opponents by margins ranging from 9 to 17 points.

Obama leads Mitt Romney, 50% to 41%, tops Herman Cain, 50% to 39%, beats Newt Gingrich, 51% to 38% and crushes Rick Perry, 53% to 36%.

The same poll got the final result of the collective bargaining referendum correct to within one point.

Another meaningless poll.

Ty Webb;964739 wrote:http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/11/09/obama_way_ahead_in_ohio.html

Obama Way Ahead in Ohio

A new Public Policy Polling survey in Ohio finds President Obama leading all of his Republican opponents by margins ranging from 9 to 17 points.

Obama leads Mitt Romney, 50% to 41%, tops Herman Cain, 50% to 39%, beats Newt Gingrich, 51% to 38% and crushes Rick Perry, 53% to 36%.

The same poll got the final result of the collective bargaining referendum correct to within one point.

How did the same poll do on Issue 3 in Ohio?

Paul on Fox. Again. Using the "D" word. He seems to be the only congressman with the balls call out his actions.

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Ty Webb;964739 wrote:http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/11/09/obama_way_ahead_in_ohio.html

Obama Way Ahead in Ohio

A new Public Policy Polling survey in Ohio finds President Obama leading all of his Republican opponents by margins ranging from 9 to 17 points.

Obama leads Mitt Romney, 50% to 41%, tops Herman Cain, 50% to 39%, beats Newt Gingrich, 51% to 38% and crushes Rick Perry, 53% to 36%.

The same poll got the final result of the collective bargaining referendum correct to within one point.

One and Done.

stlouiedipalma;964121 wrote:These guys campaigned on jobs and the fools in their districts believed them. What a con-job.

Maybe they're including jobs "saved" in their tally....you know, like the fool in the White House.

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Painful to watch...

For the people that don't get it, this is the media blackout the Ron Paul supporters complain about. His name has been mentioned once, in passing, since they began their post debate coverage. His answers and performance have not been discussed. Sure, he can get some interviews, but if he himself isn't on there speaking, no one is discussing him.

Rick Perry- might as well drop out tomorrow. That is one of the biggest choke jobs I have ever seen in a Political Debate or anything at all honestly.

Herman Cain- He is funny and can do well creating slogans, but I'm not sure how anyone takes this guy seriously. He doesn't have a clue what he would do if he actually won the presidency.

Newt- He is very intelligent, great at debates. His talk about Student Loans was one of the best points of the night in my opinion. I don't agree with everything he says, He is an admitted Hawk but I think on Domestic Issues, he is going in the right direction. He would be my second Choice behind Paul. A distant second though.

Santorum-Quit, No one cares about you

Bachman- Ditto

Huntsman- He is a smart guy, I will give him that. He understands that catch phrases and pandering wont get the job done. He had success as a governor. The fact he worked for Obama hurts him tremendously with Conservatives in Primary Vote. I personally don't care about that, but unfortunately for him, a lot of people do.

Romney- As much as it pains me to say this, he is the candidate. The thing with him is, I don't believe a word he says. Would it be better than Obama? Yes. But not by much.

Paul- My candidate of Choice. The quicker this field narrows down, the better he will do in the debates. I think his plan is what American needs. He did struggle a bit with the How would students pay for school question I think. I know what he was trying to say because I have listened to all his interviews but I think Newt answered it the right way during the debate.

Every time I see Ron Paul I expect to hear the theme from "Star Trek" played in the background. That guy is sooooooo far out there it hurts.

Although I must admit Perry, Bachmann and Santorum are getting close to his neighborhood.

Looks like it's Mitt's race to lose. He'll probably even win the Presidency and then do an about-face on all his positions. It'll be like Obama never left, lol.

Romney: Good at these nonsensical debates. He takes a different position on every issue every time. Talked a good game tonight about not bailing out banks to save them from European debt, but we already know what he would do. He was calling for bailouts the last time the banks failed, and our banks hold trillions of dollars of credit default swaps on these foreign debts, and when one of them defaults, our banks will be bankrupt. And one of them will definitely default. They figured something out for Greece, but now Italy is ready to blow. So are Portugal, Ireland, and Spain. Either the ECB is going to print a lot of Euros, we are going to print a lot more dollars, or they will go bankrupt and so will our banks. Romney would be the first in line calling for another bailout, even if another bailout would be the end of our fiat money experiment. He would be no different than Obama. If I was forced to pick between the two I would vote for Obama because at least Congress tries to stop him.

Cain: He is a joke. Every answer is 999. He knows nothing about economics, foreign policy, or the Constitution. I don't understand how anyone could support him seriously.

Perry: I knew he was a buffoon before tonight.

Gingrich: Very intelligent and knows how to answer these questions, but we know what his solutions already are. He isn't a conservative. He is a Republican. He wants big government just as much as the Democrats do, he just wants the massive government to do different things. Not to mention he is a warmonger that would bankrupt us by having us invade every country that looks at us the wrong way. No thank you.

Huntsman: Too much government.

Bachmann: Not smart enough. Supports Patriot Act. Too much war. Nope.

Santorum: Bloodthirsty neocon, but at least he believes what he says and isn't a plastic man up there like Romney. I think he believes that what he wants is what is best for the country. I would never vote for him, but I do have some respect for him.

Paul: His answers were all correct as usual but he rushes himself when he has these time limits. His answer about student loans was better than any of the others, but he didn't give himself time to mention that his plan doesn't end federal student loans. Ideally he would like to move them into the private sector in the future, but he has no immediate plans to end them. He didn't get the chance to say that though, so now you will have idiot kids going around thinking they will get thrown out of school if he is elected. It's just unfortunate for this country that he isn't as slick as these others and that we are so poorly educated that we can't understand what he is saying. It is still Paul or third party for me and many others. Your choices are really between Paul and Obama, because at least 10% of the Republican electorate will not vote for anyone but Paul.

BoatShoes;965671 wrote:Painful to watch...

I nearly spit my beer out. Comedy gold.

Cleveland Buck;965774 wrote:For the people that don't get it, this is the media blackout the Ron Paul supporters complain about. His name has been mentioned once, in passing, since they began their post debate coverage. His answers and performance have not been discussed. Sure, he can get some interviews, but if he himself isn't on there speaking, no one is discussing him.

The media is practically calling for Cain to register as a sex offender. Yet he still leads in the polls at this point. The people are not the media. Quit bitching and get in the game. Who gives a shit what the clowns at CNBC have to say in their post debate coverage. The crickets. They were owned several times by nearly every candidate during the debate.

BoatShoes;965671 wrote:[video=youtube;HYaRM9_eQW4][/video]

Painful to watch...

SNL is going to have a field day with this. That is incredible. Like when Palin couldn't name one supreme court case.

The best line was....Oops.

But the Dept of Education is a REALLY big agency

Cleveland Buck;965888 wrote:
Paul: His answers were all correct as usual but he rushes himself when he has these time limits. His answer about student loans was better than any of the others, but he didn't give himself time to mention that his plan doesn't end federal student loans. Ideally he would like to move them into the private sector in the future, but he has no immediate plans to end them. He didn't get the chance to say that though, so now you will have idiot kids going around thinking they will get thrown out of school if he is elected. It's just unfortunate for this country that he isn't as slick as these others and that we are so poorly educated that we can't understand what he is saying. It is still Paul or third party for me and many others. Your choices are really between Paul and Obama, because at least 10% of the Republican electorate will not vote for anyone but Paul.

I know, right? The electorate is just too stupid or idiots to understand Ron Paul...well except Ron Paul supporters they are all smart enough.:rolleyes:

stlouiedipalma;965881 wrote:Every time I see Ron Paul I expect to hear the theme from "Star Trek" played in the background. That guy is sooooooo far out there it hurts.

I know! I mean who the hell thinks unsustainable war is bad? What a crackpot to think that the unbridled devaluing of the dollar is hurting our economy, right? What kind of nutjob must you be to see the inefficiency of central government bureaucracy as a bad thing, after all? And where does he get off questioning the President's authority to have someone killed without so much as a charge, anyway?

Throw in Jefferson and Franklin while you're at it. All of them ... NUTJOBS!

Skyhook79;965939 wrote:I know, right? The electorate is just too stupid or idiots to understand Ron Paul...well except Ron Paul supporters they are all smart enough.:rolleyes:

Rest assured, there are knuckleheads in all camps.

"The electorate is just too stupid or idiots ..." Please tell me that was meant to be ironic.

pmoney25;965823 wrote:Rick Perry- might as well drop out tomorrow. That is one of the biggest choke jobs I have ever seen in a Political Debate or anything at all honestly.

He made a couple of good points but whoever is donating to his campaign at this point should just flush their cash down the toilet. We are all human and forget things at times. On the campaign trail that is one thing. A mispeak at a debate understandable. But his debate performances are serial. He needs to fall on his sword.

pmoney25;965823 wrote:Herman Cain- He is funny and can do well creating slogans, but I'm not sure how anyone takes this guy seriously. He doesn't have a clue what he would do if he actually won the presidency.

You can say Cain does not have a clue. People can joke about his 999 plan but that is what is keeping him in the game. I am not saying 999 is the only answer. But many Americans have lived under the onerous federal tax code for too long. Its the power the feds us to control our activity. The federal congress has used it as a separate power under article 1 section 8 to do as they wish. To force individuals and businesses to do their bidding. Taking that power away is appealing to many Americans. It kills the power of lobbyists. The resistance to the power of taxation birthed this nation. You can't gloss over that. The other candidates need take note. The people that deal with it hate it and they long for it to be thrown to the curb and have it replaced with a simple and transparent tax system.

pmoney25;965823 wrote:Newt- He is very intelligent, great at debates. His talk about Student Loans was one of the best points of the night in my opinion. I don't agree with everything he says, He is an admitted Hawk but I think on Domestic Issues, he is going in the right direction. He would be my second Choice behind Paul. A distant second though.

I loved Newt's response to the student loan issue. I probably would vote for him in the general election. I just don't trust him to follow through if elected and press the same issues he is in the primaries.

pmoney25;965823 wrote:Santorum-Quit, No one cares about you
Bachman- Ditto.

Stop wasting your donors money.

pmoney25;965823 wrote:Huntsman- He is a smart guy, I will give him that. He understands that catch phrases and pandering wont get the job done. He had success as a governor. The fact he worked for Obama hurts him tremendously with Conservatives in Primary Vote. I personally don't care about that, but unfortunately for him, a lot of people do.

Huntsman has spent too much time in China. He has made too many friends and never will play hardball with them. He practically admitted that they are massaging his balls.

pmoney25;965823 wrote:Romney- As much as it pains me to say this, he is the candidate. The thing with him is, I don't believe a word he says. Would it be better than Obama? Yes. But not by much.

Don't give up. I don't believe him either. Most do not. He has consistently polled around 25%. Likeley the republican establishment. The rest are split between Cain, Gingrich, Paul. Perry, Bachman, Huntsman, Santorum, hold a few others but their numbers are insignificant. Once primary voting begins voters will begin to move when the herd is thinned.

pmoney25;965823 wrote:Paul- My candidate of Choice. The quicker this field narrows down, the better he will do in the debates. I think his plan is what American needs. He did struggle a bit with the How would students pay for school question I think. I know what he was trying to say because I have listened to all his interviews but I think Newt answered it the right way during the debate.

I agree when the herd is thinned he will do better. It will depend on which candidate is thinned from the herd. Paul is great in longer interviews. He can lay it out. All humans have gifts and talents. Gingrich has a talent to make his point in a short statement. Paul does not. He feverishly attempts to cram all kinds of truth into a small window. Only a little bit get through.

Gingrich knows how to take Obama down. These Lincoln/Douglas style debates would finish Obama. Obama will never agree to such a format. Ron Paul if he were to get the nomination should demand this format. Paul would eat Obama alive. Only candidates that are confident in their ideology would ever agree to such a format. Gingrich is smart an savvy enough to survive. These controlled formats are a joke.

major, thank you for my new sig.

majorspark;966049 wrote:Paul would eat Obama alive.