Ty Webb;1084746 wrote:http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/02/13/independents_abandoning_romney.html

Independents Abandoning Romney

Greg Sargent flags a striking finding in the new Pew Research poll:

In November, Mitt Romney was beating President Obama among independent voters, 53% to 41%. Now those numbers are upside down: Obama tops Romney among them, 51% to 42%. That's a net 19 point swing of independents in Obama's direction in three months

jhay78;1084881 wrote:Santorum leading Romney in Michigan. If Romney can't win Michigan, where his dad was guv, look out.

http://www.therightscoop.com/2012-santorum-leads-in-michigan/

jhay78;1084881 wrote:Santorum leading Romney in Michigan. If Romney can't win Michigan, where his dad was guv, look out.

http://www.therightscoop.com/2012-santorum-leads-in-michigan/

sjmvsfscs08;1084899 wrote:Bill Maher had a great point one time when he said, to paraphrase, "I used to think independent voters were the ones who actually paid attention and swung to decide the election in favor of the better candidate, now Ive realized that independent voters are actually the most clueless ones who swing aimlessly to the shinier candidate because they're the dumbest."

The good jobs numbers, and the media firing up the attacks on Romney and the GOP will certainly have a one-sided impact until the general election and the GOP unites to get back at Obama. The GOP is stepping on its own dick by dragging this primary out; once again the Bible-thumpers are holding the party hostage.

IggyPride00;1084934 wrote:

Poor Willard.

The more people learn about him, the less they like him.

He is screwed in a general election because he isn't going to have a 5/6 to 1 money advantage to carpet bomb Obama with an overwhelming barrage of negative ads into submission the way he has been able to his foes in the primary.

He has no ideas, and is unable to sell the public on why he should be president. Hence his campaign tactics this year.

It is why his campaign is panicking right now, because they want to press the button on another barrage of negative ads, but his advisers have warned him it is driving his negatives straight up...as well as developing himself a reputation as a negative campaigner.

The general public would rather have a politician who is principled and wrong, than a finger in the wind candidate whose positions change because the polling tells him to (hence why Bush was re-elected instead of flip flopping Kerry).

Willard thankfully has finally been exposed, but sadly it is probably too late as he has too much of a money advantage for Santorum or Newt to really make enough of a dent Super Tuesday to derail his campaign.

Cleveland Buck;1085015 wrote:That might make sense, except, in shocking fashion, they didn't poll the Republican candidate that dominates Obama with independent voters. And he certainly doesn't have a media shine on him. In fact they smear shit all over him to cover up any shine.

sjmvsfscs08;1085017 wrote:lolol

I honestly think you hate Romney more than Obama.

And the fact that you prefer Santorum over, well, anyone is baffling. You'd have to be a fool to vote for that guy.

sjmvsfscs08;1085018 wrote:I assume you're talking about Ron Paul?

I could be wrong, but I doubt he prefers Santorum.

once again the Bible-thumpers are holding the party hostage.

IggyPride00;1085025 wrote:Correct, I actually prefer Newt, but he is done.

I have less respect for Willard than I do the President.

I don't like Obama or agree with his politics, but at least he is up front about his radical views. Willard on the other hand is a statist through and through who is literally the most desparate presidential candidate I have ever seen. He wants to be President so bad it is embarrassing. He probably has some kind of deep seated daddy issue that he wants to accomplish something his father couldn't, which is why he has been perpetually campaigning for 6 years now.



This is comical. Without the bible thumpers it is impossible for a Republican to win the Presidency.

Most of the bible thumpers are Conservatives, which is why the Willard campaign loathes them so much. They see through his bullshit, which is why they refuse to buy in.

They don't want a moderate, as they correctly understand that moderates lose elections. Ask Dole and McCain (Willard's fellow moderates) how well that worked out for them when the base gets depressed.

bases_loaded;1085121 wrote:Were going to war with Iran and soon.

How does that change things?

sjmvsfscs08;1084899 wrote:The GOP is stepping on its own dick by dragging this primary out; once again the Bible-thumpers are holding the party hostage.

sjmvsfscs08;1084899 wrote:On that note, what has Santorum ever done other than vote yes on everything George Bush wanted? He sat there idly by while the deficit and the housing boom grew and grew. He's simply riding the gay-bashing vote at this point because the Bible-thumpers are petrified of Romney.

Pro-Romney Group Buys Almost $500,000 in TV Ads in Michigan

sjmvsfscs08;1085092 wrote:On that note, what has Santorum ever done other than vote yes on everything George Bush wanted? .

IggyPride00;1085025 wrote:Correct, I actually prefer Newt, but he is done.

I have less respect for Willard than I do the President.

I don't like Obama or agree with his politics, but at least he is up front about his radical views. Willard on the other hand is a statist through and through who is literally the most desparate presidential candidate I have ever seen. He wants to be President so bad it is embarrassing. He probably has some kind of deep seated daddy issue that he wants to accomplish something his father couldn't, which is why he has been perpetually campaigning for 6 years now.



This is comical. Without the bible thumpers it is impossible for a Republican to win the Presidency.

Most of the bible thumpers think they are Conservatives, which is why the Willard campaign loathes them so much. They see through his bullshit, which is why they refuse to buy in.

They don't want a moderate, as they correctly understand that moderates lose elections. Ask Dole and McCain (Willard's fellow moderates) how well that worked out for them when the base gets depressed.

I Wear Pants;1085335 wrote:The bible thumpers tend to want government intervention in religious, sexual, and "moral" issues like marriage rather than being truly conservative.

IggyPride00;1085310 wrote:Launch the Air Raid sirens, Team Willard is commencing the carpet bombing all across Michigan effective immediately.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/13/pro-romney-group-buys-almost-500000-in-tv-ads-in-michigan/

majorspark;1085339 wrote:Your confusing conservative with libertarian. There are "big government" conservatives out there. Then there are "small government" or "constitutional" conservative that believe these issues are to be dealt with at the state and local level.

I Wear Pants;1085378 wrote:I guess we have to be clear on what we mean by conservative. And truly I feel that we should stop calling one of either fiscal conservatives or social conservatives conservatives because the principles behind the two are almost directly opposed. Fiscal conservatives are for less government intrusion in our personal lives via tax policy, spending, etc. Social conservatives argue for more government to protect us from shit they don't like.