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May 18, 2011 2:07 PM
Commander of Awesome;772883 wrote:No to both. lol at you trying to bait ppl into saying rolen is a HOFer. Stop being a wimp and post the players name. Stats are for losers, when debating players I dont even look at stats. It should be a no brainer "Yes" when I think of the player. If I have to look at stats than the arguement is over.

This is actually a common way we've discussed this kind of topic before. I believe Ironman92 used to do this a lot back on the huddle.
May 18, 2011 2:07pm
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May 18, 2011 2:07 PM
Heretic;773015 wrote:Yes. Pittsburgh fans are the only ones who possibly overrate their own players to HoF status. Which is why this is a thread started by a Reds fan using a current Red's career stats to ask if he should be in the Hall. And why a Cleveland fan used Ozzie Smith being in to say that Omar Vizquel (former Indian) should be in if he's in. But it's only Pittsburgh fans. Bravo!

I am not a Cleveland fan! Unless you are talking about Laley haha
May 18, 2011 2:07pm
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May 18, 2011 2:08 PM
LOL.....some of you are looking too far into this. I'm not trying to get people to say Rolen should be in because I'm a Reds fan. There was a discussion about Rolen's importance to the lineup on another thread, that lead to me looking up his career stats out of curiosity, then I compared them to some stats of current HOF 3rd basemen just to see how he added up to them. That lead to this question. It's just a simple question about a player, not me somehow trying to promote a Reds player.
May 18, 2011 2:08pm
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May 18, 2011 2:08 PM
BigAppleBuckeye;773028 wrote:I am not a Cleveland fan! Unless you are talking about Laley haha

he means me, saying that if Ozzie is in, so should Omar. But Ill stad behind the statement till the day I die (but I wont have to, cause O will be in before I die).
May 18, 2011 2:08pm
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May 18, 2011 2:10 PM
Also, yes, Vizquel should be in.
May 18, 2011 2:10pm
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May 18, 2011 2:12 PM
Oh, I have no objections to Omar being in. I was just laughing at how Raw got hard because he got to argue with Rock and decided to come up with a cute argument about how apparently only Pittsburgh fans overrate their players on a thread that has nothing to do with Pittsburgh.
May 18, 2011 2:12pm
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May 18, 2011 2:26 PM
Heretic;773037 wrote:Oh, I have no objections to Omar being in. I was just laughing at how Raw got hard because he got to argue with Rock and decided to come up with a cute argument about how apparently only Pittsburgh fans overrate their players on a thread that has nothing to do with Pittsburgh.

Slow day at work.
May 18, 2011 2:26pm
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May 18, 2011 2:27 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;773051 wrote:Slow day at work.

I can understand that. IE: Why I bothered responding.
May 18, 2011 2:27pm
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May 18, 2011 2:58 PM
I usually did this when I wanted to make others aware of a player with surprisingly good or bad career stats...before I started doing trivia.
May 18, 2011 2:58pm
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May 18, 2011 3:00 PM
How about this guy? No longer active, do you think he is in the Hall of Fame or not?

CAREER STATS - 19 Seasons

.262 batting average
324 HRs
1225 RBI
1025 runs
39 SB
3 Gold Gloves
0 MVP Awards
May 18, 2011 3:00pm
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May 18, 2011 3:34 PM
BigAppleBuckeye;773077 wrote:How about this guy? No longer active, do you think he is in the Hall of Fame or not?

CAREER STATS - 19 Seasons

.262 batting average
324 HRs
1225 RBI
1025 runs
39 SB
3 Gold Gloves
0 MVP Awards

Gary Carter?
May 18, 2011 3:34pm
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May 18, 2011 3:45 PM
Laley23;773109 wrote:Gary Carter?

I'd say that Gary Carter at least has a marginally better shot of induction that Gary Majewski. But I'm no expert.
May 18, 2011 3:45pm
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May 18, 2011 3:54 PM
not unless he wears (wore) pinstripes :cool:
May 18, 2011 3:54pm
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May 18, 2011 4:01 PM
How about this guy?

18 Seasons

.305 average
2530 hits
1523 runs
440 HRs
1518 RBI
1 MVP
1 WS
May 18, 2011 4:01pm
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May 18, 2011 4:02 PM
karen lotz;773141 wrote:How about this guy?

18 Seasons

.305 average
2530 hits
1523 runs
440 HRs
1518 RBI
1 MVP
1 WS

Yes. Is that Chipper?
May 18, 2011 4:02pm
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May 18, 2011 4:41 PM
Laley23;773109 wrote:Gary Carter?
Heretic;773120 wrote:I'd say that Gary Carter at least has a marginally better shot of induction that Gary Majewski. But I'm no expert.

Bingo! Went in as an Expo, despite winning his ring with the Mets, weak!
May 18, 2011 4:41pm
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May 18, 2011 5:08 PM
Laley23;773145 wrote:Yes. Is that Chipper?

Yeah. I agree he's a no doubter and possibly first ballot HOFer, but there always seems to be a lot of discussion whether he will get in.
May 18, 2011 5:08pm
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May 18, 2011 5:10 PM
karen lotz;773184 wrote:Yeah. I agree he's a no doubter and possibly first ballot HOFer, but there always seems to be a lot of discussion whether he will get in.

I wouldn't know why. He's in the no-brainer category for me. And I fucking hate the Atlanta Braves, and by proxy, you. I will never forget 1991 and 1992, you bastard!
May 18, 2011 5:10pm
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May 18, 2011 5:11 PM
You have to realize these numbers arent all just cut and dry for the HOF. For instance, a guy that played Catcher for 15 yrs will get in with less numbers than an outfielder. The same usually goes for a 2nd baseman.
May 18, 2011 5:11pm
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May 18, 2011 5:13 PM
Heretic;773185 wrote:I wouldn't know why. He's in the no-brainer category for me. And I fucking hate the Atlanta Braves, and by proxy, you. I will never forget 1991 and 1992, you bastard!

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=3251567

;)
May 18, 2011 5:13pm
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May 18, 2011 5:14 PM
I agree Larry Wayne Jones is a 1st ballot HOF'er. I lived in Atlanta from 1992-2000 and went to about 12-15 games a year. I watched him grow up on the diamond. He had one hiccup off the field with the Hooters waitress but other than that never any legal issues and a pretty stand up guy.
May 18, 2011 5:14pm
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May 18, 2011 5:19 PM
.273 Batting Average
2814 Hits
1418 Runs
80 HR's
75 Triples
447 Doubles
941 RBI's
1014 BB's
401 SB's
11 Gold Gloves What you say?
May 18, 2011 5:19pm
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May 18, 2011 5:40 PM
I'd say no on Vizquel, his hit total is big but he's also played 22 seasons.
May 18, 2011 5:40pm
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May 18, 2011 6:05 PM
september63;773202 wrote:.273 Batting Average
2814 Hits
1418 Runs
80 HR's
75 Triples
447 Doubles
941 RBI's
1014 BB's
401 SB's
11 Gold Gloves What you say?

O is a an easy yes for me. His hit total is large and a lot has been because of his years...but other than 1 year in SF, he hasnt "slowed" per se in the average category.
May 18, 2011 6:05pm
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May 18, 2011 6:08 PM
karen lotz;773184 wrote:Yeah. I agree he's a no doubter and possibly first ballot HOFer, but there always seems to be a lot of discussion whether he will get in.

I say easy yes, but I wouldnt say first ballot. He didnt dominate the league enough for me to be a first ballot. For me, first ballot guys have multiple MVPs/Cy Youngs and were dominant in the other years (perennial top 5 in those awards). The A-Rods, Pujols, Halladays, etc.

The exception is a non offensive position, where you dominated the others at said position for the time frame (Jeter, Pudge, etc). But Chipper is a 3B, so he cant make that claim. Easily will be in after the first ballot though.
May 18, 2011 6:08pm