NBA Eastern Conference Final: Chicago Bulls vs Miami Heat

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May 27, 2011 12:11 AM
Hb31187;782808 wrote:So LBJ is a player that makes his team better and is a great leader. Derek Rose is a ball hog who is all about himself and needs improvement making his team better.

And Btw, Lebron played Pg, just wasnt labeled as one bc they started Mo Williams. Everyone knows he was the PG of that team and the Pg of the heat as well.

LBJ's team has 2 other top 15 players int he league and doesnt get the #1 seed, and he averages 18.8 shots a game and 7 assists.

Rose has his 2nd best option (Boozer) injured most of the year, leads them to the best record in the league. Shoots 19.7 shots a game and averages 7.7 assists. So 1 more shot and more assists

How does LBJ make his team better than Rose makes his?


He had a shitty series, yes, not denying that. But 1 superstar cannot beat 3. Especially when you get no help. Kinda like LBJ vs the Celtics

Hard to beat that argument
May 27, 2011 12:11am
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May 27, 2011 12:12 AM
Hb31187;782808 wrote:So LBJ is a player that makes his team better and is a great leader. Derek Rose is a ball hog who is all about himself and needs improvement making his team better.

And Btw, Lebron played Pg, just wasnt labeled as one bc they started Mo Williams. Everyone knows he was the PG of that team and the Pg of the heat as well.

LBJ's team has 2 other top 15 players int he league and doesnt get the #1 seed, and he averages 18.8 shots a game and 7 assists.

Rose has his 2nd best option (Boozer) injured most of the year, leads them to the best record in the league. Shoots 19.7 shots a game and averages 7.7 assists. So 1 more shot and more assists

How does LBJ make his team better than Rose makes his?


He had a shitty series, yes, not denying that. But 1 superstar cannot beat 3. Especially when you get no help. Kinda like LBJ vs the Celtics

Throw all the stats you want out, watch them play and get back with me. Lebron was the only superstar in Cleveland but still made his teammates better and made the right decisions elevating the level of his teammates play and making life easy for them. Rose forces shots, puts his head down and passes only when it's the last option.
May 27, 2011 12:12am
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May 27, 2011 12:15 AM
Also he had help, Boozer played great in games 3-4, Noah played well defensively and rebounded well all series, and Deng was good all series, SMH at you acting like he's out there playing with bums, he didn't do his job plain and simple.
May 27, 2011 12:15am
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May 27, 2011 12:15 AM
I'm not even sure what the current argument is? Someone is saying Rose is better than LeBron?
May 27, 2011 12:15am
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May 27, 2011 12:17 AM
So you call Rose a ballhog for averaging about the exact amount of shots LBJ takes. And say he passes as a last resort, when LBJ averages less assists per game while running point for a team with 2 other superstars? Does that make any sense at all? Especially when you say stats dont matter, bc thats kinda an easy way to see if a player is selfish/a ball hog.

and Rose IS the only superstar in Chicago and made the right decisions to elevate his team which is evident by the #1 seed that he lead them to. Kinda like LBJ did...actually exaccctly like LBJ did.
May 27, 2011 12:17am
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May 27, 2011 12:18 AM
karen lotz;782816 wrote:I'm not even sure what the current argument is? Someone is saying Rose is better than LeBron?

Im arguing that Rose makes his teammates better much like James did. He thinks Rose is too selfish
May 27, 2011 12:18am
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May 27, 2011 12:19 AM
Regular season means nothing.
May 27, 2011 12:19am
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May 27, 2011 12:20 AM
Hb31187;782819 wrote:Im arguing that Rose makes his teammates better much like James did. He thinks Rose is too selfish


Sure he does to some extent. But Rose is more of a score first PG and LeBron is more of a facilitator that can score when he wants to.
May 27, 2011 12:20am
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May 27, 2011 12:20 AM
karen lotz;782820 wrote:Regular season means nothing.
Meh, itts not completely emaningless
May 27, 2011 12:20am
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May 27, 2011 12:22 AM
karen lotz;782820 wrote:Regular season means nothing.

Then why even have it?

Why play for a higher seed and homecourt advantage?
May 27, 2011 12:22am
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May 27, 2011 12:22 AM
Hb31187;782817 wrote:So you call Rose a ballhog for averaging about the exact amount of shots LBJ takes. And say he passes as a last resort, when LBJ averages less assists per game while running point for a team with 2 other superstars? Does that make any sense at all? Especially when you say stats dont matter, bc thats kinda an easy way to see if a player is selfish/a ball hog.

and Rose IS the only superstar in Chicago and made the right decisions to elevate his team which is evident by the #1 seed that he lead them to. Kinda like LBJ did...actually exaccctly like LBJ did.
This is never going to end, I've already said that Lebron should average more shots since he's a wing and Rose is a damn PG. Also, Rose should average a few more assists per game because he has the ball in his hands 100% of the time while Lebron shares it with Wade and Bosh, so you're other 2 superstar argument doesn't work. Also, decision making is more than just how many assists you average per game, it's knowing when to pass, when to shoot, when to drive, get it?
May 27, 2011 12:22am
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May 27, 2011 12:22 AM
Hb31187;782823 wrote:Meh, itts not completely emaningless


Ask Skyhook. Oh wait...
May 27, 2011 12:22am
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May 27, 2011 12:23 AM
KR1245;782825 wrote:Then why even have it?

Why play for a higher seed and homecourt advantage?

I was being facetious. Others have used that argument to support their opinions.
May 27, 2011 12:23am
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May 27, 2011 12:31 AM
Well there goes my plans for saturday now. The Bulls took it bending over OKC style. Spo kept them calm, and you can see him growing as a coach. Once again, Wade looked 35, but pulled the shit out of his ass like he planned it that way. Lebron was quite impressive down the stretch. I don't know if I've seen a player conserve their energy that efficiently in a whole series before. He literally toyed with them for quarters at a time, then stepped on their throats. Rose did not look like an elite player that series. At 22, I don't expect that against a very good team. Boozer thanks for your flagrant fouls that absolutely woke a monster. Chicago hates you. You'll be seeing this one again in the future.
May 27, 2011 12:31am
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May 27, 2011 2:04 AM
Boozer is trash.. All of my friends who love the Bulls want him out. They finally wised up to what I've been saying, it's glorious.
May 27, 2011 2:04am
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May 27, 2011 3:52 AM
hoops23;782845 wrote:Boozer is trash.. All of my friends who love the Bulls want him out. They finally wised up to what I've been saying, it's glorious.
Couldn't agree more.
May 27, 2011 3:52am
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May 27, 2011 4:12 AM
hoops23;782845 wrote:Boozer is trash.. All of my friends who love the Bulls want him out. They finally wised up to what I've been saying, it's glorious.

They overpaid soooo much for him. Like when we got our third option Larry Hughes. Ugh, I just threw up a little.
May 27, 2011 4:12am
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May 27, 2011 7:42 AM
hoops23;782845 wrote:Boozer is trash.. All of my friends who love the Bulls want him out. They finally wised up to what I've been saying, it's glorious.
+1 He did decent at best at times but to me the most useless person on the team for this series was Korver.WTF was he doing even on the court? He shot like ass his defense was shit the only thing he should have been doing was giving Hi 5's and handing out towels.
May 27, 2011 7:42am