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elbuckeye28
Posts: 919
May 7, 2011 11:33am
dat dude;761869 wrote:Let me guess, you don't think Tressel should be fired, correct?
You are correct. I don't want him fired.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
May 7, 2011 11:45am
I bet a lot of these will simply end at the car dealer having a lot of tax fraud cases levied against him for $0 titles, but anytime Pryor's dumb, entitled ass is involved it has a good possibility of turning not so great.
I must admit, I'm surprised the Dispatch of all media sources is digging for this stuff. They're essentially a co-spokesperson for the university, and to stir the pot like this could hurt their ins with the university.
I must admit, I'm surprised the Dispatch of all media sources is digging for this stuff. They're essentially a co-spokesperson for the university, and to stir the pot like this could hurt their ins with the university.
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elbuckeye28
Posts: 919
May 7, 2011 11:46am
ts1227;761872 wrote:I bet a lot of these will simply end at the car dealer having a lot of tax fraud cases levied against him for $0 titles, but anytime Pryor's dumb, entitled ass is involved it has a good possibility of not being good.
I must admit, I'm surprised the Dispatch of all media sources is digging for this stuff. They're essentially a co-spokesperson for the university, and to stir the pot like this could hurt their ins with the university.
I think that if anyone is alright with this situation, it's Pryor since he has already been investigated and cleared.
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enigmaax
Posts: 4,511
May 7, 2011 12:09pm
september63;761862 wrote:Here's an interesting twist. How can the NCAA hold Diebler or OSU accountable because of a car his parents bought? Cam Newtons Dad ring a bell?
Yes, I know he is a senior.
Everybody is going to try and use the "Cam's Dad" argument forever - and it will NEVER work. Without assuming guilt, the simple surface difference is that the car dealership/salesman in question is tied to so many other athletes/parents that even if an athlete didn't direct his parents to the guy, someone at OSU did.
In the Newton case, the talk was mostly about Newton's dad seeking someone out - someone who had not previously been tied to anything of that sort (violations, pay for play, etc.). In the OSU case, there's way too many parents ending up at the same place for coincidence to be valid. Again, not saying it'll result in anything or that anybody did anything wrong, but you can forget about trying to crutch on Cam Newton's case - it is not at all the same.
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
May 7, 2011 12:50pm
elbuckeye28;761859 wrote:Well then we better kick William Buford off the basketball team, and if Diebler was still there he would needed kicked off too.
If Buford was found to have broken NCAA rules and it was detrimental to the basketball program (as it seems all these allegations will be detrimental in one way or the other with the football program) then yes, he should be kicked off the team. I'm not sure how bringing Diebler up is relevant? Maybe Thad Matta, but Diebler will no longer be associated w/ the b-ball program just as Thad Gibson isn't associated w/ the football program anymore.
For a different situation. If these new allegations turn in to an entirely new issue, you'll see Pryor in the spotlight again.elbuckeye28;761875 wrote:I think that if anyone is alright with this situation, it's Pryor since he has already been investigated and cleared.
Just because a person has been punished for one infraction, that doesn't always mean that said punishment will also apply to an entirely different infraction.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
May 7, 2011 1:13pm
elbuckeye28;761839 wrote:There is nothing wrong with the number of athletes that bought cars there. Every single athlete in the entire athletic department could buy a car there and it would still be ok. In addition, besides the Thad Gibson sale, nowhere in the article does it say that they were buying cars "well below market value". It said half the transactions were below the blue book price. Well isn't that the point when buying used cars? Find the dealer that sells cars a bit cheaper than the rest.
Technically you are right, but are you seriously that naive haha. 5-10 car purchases would be one thing, but this amount is certainly alarming. Now that we know memoribilia and tickets exhanged hands as well. Not good. But yeah you should definitely continue to bury your head in the sand
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enigmaax
Posts: 4,511
May 7, 2011 1:17pm
dwccrew;761895 wrote: Just because a person has been punished for one infraction, that doesn't always mean that said punishment will also apply to an entirely different infraction.
Hasn't Pryor already been investigated and cleared regarding his own loaner cars, including the one mentioned in the article where he used one for an entire weekend? That may not address the cars his family purchased, but I think the loaner reference is a dead issue.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
May 7, 2011 1:20pm
The family member ones are where it has the potential to get interesting, as you mentioned. I think the loaner thing may have been cleared before, but I don't recall ever hearing the family stuff before.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
May 7, 2011 1:20pm
enigmaax;761902 wrote:Hasn't Pryor already been investigated and cleared regarding his own loaner cars, including the one mentioned in the article where he used one for an entire weekend? That may not address the cars his family purchased, but I think the loaner reference is a dead issue.
You are correct.
Here are two key paragraphs from the article, as far as I'm concerned:
Archie said that he was aware of all the transactions involving the athletes that The Dispatch found, but he was unaware of purchases made by their relatives.
Both dealers, whose businesses are not connected, say they routinely call Archie's office when an athlete is ready to buy a car, provide the purchase price and discuss who will co-sign on a loan. Archie said he relies on the car dealers to provide accurate information.
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
May 7, 2011 1:23pm
If tressel knew this he should be gone. I've said for awhile I want tp gone at this point pose and herring can go to. Tired of this shit.
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devil1197
Posts: 6,220
May 7, 2011 1:25pm
Tressel just needs to man up and step down.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
May 7, 2011 1:29pm
TP, Herron, and Posey are complete pieces of garbage. Time for them to go
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
May 7, 2011 2:48pm
But the other schools don't have a blatant liar as a coach and are under investigation.september63;761772 wrote:Tressel lying or witholding information bothered me. This car story doesnt. This car stuff is happening at big time schools all over the country.
enigmaax;761902 wrote:Hasn't Pryor already been investigated and cleared regarding his own loaner cars, including the one mentioned in the article where he used one for an entire weekend? That may not address the cars his family purchased, but I think the loaner reference is a dead issue.
Pryor did something wrong with the cars, and the more that people dig into it the sooner it will surface.
I used to work near campus and would see the players pretty often. I've seen Herron, Posey and Pryor all driving Dodge Chargers (I think), and they are cars that are around $40,000. And then you have the naive people who claim they use their monthly stipend on these cars, yet Pryor lives in an upscale condo in Victorian Village that has to be at least $1000 a month on the absolute bottom end. Probably closer to $1500.jordo212000;761907 wrote:TP, Herron, and Posey are complete pieces of garbage. Time for them to go
I just don't know what else has to come out for Tressel to get the ax. I know you might not necessarily put the blame on Tressel for everything, but when your star players are all driving nice cars and living in nice apartments, you have to ask questions.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
May 7, 2011 2:50pm
Love all the "they should be gone" posts when the article presents NO DEFINITIVE PROOF that any violations occurred.
We went through this with the cars when MC was being investigated. People howled and said JT should be fired when that investigation was going on, and in the end -- NOTHING ILLEGAL was found.
How about we wait and see how this unfolds before we go around firing people?
Having said that, I fully expect the national media will froth at the mouth just like some of you on here. They'll huff and puff and say how rotten to the core JT is, and how this is even more proof...when in fact it's nothing of the kind.
I've seen it before, and I expect it again.
We went through this with the cars when MC was being investigated. People howled and said JT should be fired when that investigation was going on, and in the end -- NOTHING ILLEGAL was found.
How about we wait and see how this unfolds before we go around firing people?
Having said that, I fully expect the national media will froth at the mouth just like some of you on here. They'll huff and puff and say how rotten to the core JT is, and how this is even more proof...when in fact it's nothing of the kind.
I've seen it before, and I expect it again.
KnightRyder
Posts: 1,428
May 7, 2011 3:18pm
thedynasty1998;761932 wrote:But the other schools don't have a blatant liar as a coach and are under investigation.
Pryor did something wrong with the cars, and the more that people dig into it the sooner it will surface.
I used to work near campus and would see the players pretty often. I've seen Herron, Posey and Pryor all driving Dodge Chargers (I think), and they are cars that are around $40,000. And then you have the naive people who claim they use their monthly stipend on these cars, yet Pryor lives in an upscale condo in Victorian Village that has to be at least $1000 a month on the absolute bottom end. Probably closer to $1500.
I just don't know what else has to come out for Tressel to get the ax. I know you might not necessarily put the blame on Tressel for everything, but when your star players are all driving nice cars and living in nice apartments, you have to ask questions.
i dont know about the others but i believe if danny herron was driving a charger his family could afford it. his father has probably the largest church in warren and from what i hear its quite successful.futhermore i have met danny his father, brother and a few other relatives. they were all great people. i cant say enough good things about danny herron and the herron family.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
May 7, 2011 3:19pm
Did the NCAA investigate TP's care stuff, or just the school? I thought it was just the school?
KnightRyder
Posts: 1,428
May 7, 2011 3:22pm
september63;761772 wrote:Tressel lying or witholding information bothered me. This car story doesnt. This car stuff is happening at big time schools all over the country.
the it happens at other school defense doesnt hold water. this is THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY where you the fan base calls for the death penalty at the mere smell of impropriety at other schools
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elbuckeye28
Posts: 919
May 7, 2011 3:29pm
jordo212000;761899 wrote:Technically you are right, but are you seriously that naive haha. 5-10 car purchases would be one thing, but this amount is certainly alarming. Now that we know memoribilia and tickets exhanged hands as well. Not good. But yeah you should definitely continue to bury your head in the sand
Or I just won't jump to conclusions yet. The article states that half the cars were sold below the Bluebook value. Given the fact that it would seem logical that of a sample of cars sold, half would sell below the price. Add to the fact that these cars were sold in the midst of a recession where car companies are being taken control by the government and dealerships giving away large rebates and deals, then it seems surprising that number is not far greater, especially if they are giving "preferential" treatment.
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elbuckeye28
Posts: 919
May 7, 2011 3:31pm
KnightRyder;761957 wrote:the it happens at other school defense doesnt hold water. this is THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY where you the fan base calls for the death penalty at the mere smell of impropriety at other schools
And your posts are any different in that regard?
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elbuckeye28
Posts: 919
May 7, 2011 3:37pm
Writerbuckeye;761904 wrote:You are correct.
Here are two key paragraphs from the article, as far as I'm concerned:
Archie said that he was aware of all the transactions involving the athletes that The Dispatch found, but he was unaware of purchases made by their relatives.
Both dealers, whose businesses are not connected, say they routinely call Archie's office when an athlete is ready to buy a car, provide the purchase price and discuss who will co-sign on a loan. Archie said he relies on the car dealers to provide accurate information.
Seems that a lot of people are ignoring these facts.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
May 7, 2011 3:37pm
How/why did they get Buckeye memoribilia from curent players and tickets to games? Did all of that stuff just spontaneously appear in the car dealership? Think that swag had nothing to do with cheaper purchases? Haha
Or I just won't jump to conclusions yet. The article states that half the cars were sold below the Bluebook value. Given the fact that it would seem logical that of a sample of cars sold, half would sell below the price. Add to the fact that these cars were sold in the midst of a recession where car companies are being taken control by the government and dealerships giving away large rebates and deals, then it seems surprising that number is not far greater, especially if they are giving "preferential" treatment.
I could be wrong and I might be a cynic but there is a ton of smoke here.
gamauter
Posts: 116
May 7, 2011 4:23pm
elbuckeye28;761963 wrote:Or I just won't jump to conclusions yet. The article states that half the cars were sold below the Bluebook value. Given the fact that it would seem logical that of a sample of cars sold, half would sell below the price. Add to the fact that these cars were sold in the midst of a recession where car companies are being taken control by the government and dealerships giving away large rebates and deals, then it seems surprising that number is not far greater, especially if they are giving "preferential" treatment.
If they are using NADA then I'm surprised that all the cars did not sell below book value. NADA is always high and not based on average selling prices but on loan value.
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dat dude
Posts: 1,564
May 7, 2011 4:31pm
jordo212000;761974 wrote:How/why did they get Buckeye memoribilia from curent players and tickets to games? Did all of that stuff just spontaneously appear in the car dealership? Think that swag had nothing to do with cheaper purchases? Haha
I could be wrong and I might be a cynic but there is a ton of smoke here.
I'm not so much concerned about the autographed memorabilia. There are tens of restaurants around the Columbus area that display various signed memorabilia. The car deals to the players and the player's families are the most concerning issues. I think at this point I'd be shocked is Tressel is still the head coach come the NCAA infractions hearing. Gene Smith may fit into that "dead man walking" category, as well.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
May 7, 2011 4:55pm
dat dude;762007 wrote:I'm not so much concerned about the autographed memorabilia. There are tens of restaurants around the Columbus area that display various signed memorabilia. The car deals to the players and the player's families are the most concerning issues. I think at this point I'd be shocked is Tressel is still the head coach come the NCAA infractions hearing. Gene Smith may fit into that "dead man walking" category, as well.
Generally those restaurants display memorabilia from former players. Not current players. Let's remember the "giving away equipment for discounts" thing was at the center of the tattoo thing.
Once again, I'm just saying that the fact that these slimy dealerships had memorabilia and tickets from current players, while at the same time they were providing steep discounts on used cars to said players does certainly not pass the smell test.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
May 7, 2011 5:43pm