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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Apr 25, 2011 3:48pm
LJ;749679 wrote:Who says I am threatened? I just feel that this theory is an extreme long shot at this point. Even if he did tell Smith, in private, in person, what proof would there be? There would be no way for the NCAA to prove it. I'm not sure why you think I am "threatened" by your theory that all signs point to being wrong...
LOL--I didn't think you'd get it....anyway, even though I still subscribe to the theory that JT did indeed tell someone higher up at OSU of these emails, I do think he exercised very poor judgement in the handling of this information, and he that did indeed lie when asked if he knew of any possible violations when asked about it in December. There really isn't an ending to this that would surprise me at all--and it ain't gonna' be good.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Apr 25, 2011 3:51pm
Tressel has Pryor's support fwiw.
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Apr 25, 2011 3:53pm
karen lotz;749771 wrote:Anthony Rothman on ESPN College Football Live just said Tressel won't lose his job over this because most of the fans blame Pryor and the players for this rather than Tressel. That can't be though because LJ says its all Tressel's fault.
Well the guys on buckeyeplanet are saying that there is a divide building in the OSU administration, kind of similar to things enginmaxx was saying earlier. So i don't expect JT to be around past 2011 and I also expect him to resign before he were to get fired.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Apr 25, 2011 4:00pm
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/04/25/ohio-state-tressel-ncaa/index.html?eref=sihp
SI thinks Tressel's time is running out and talk about the NCAA possibly giving a show cause penalty to Tressel. As others have said here I'm not sure what that means to a coach who has a current contract.
SI thinks Tressel's time is running out and talk about the NCAA possibly giving a show cause penalty to Tressel. As others have said here I'm not sure what that means to a coach who has a current contract.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 25, 2011 4:01pm
karen lotz;749771 wrote:Anthony Rothman on ESPN College Football Live just said Tressel won't lose his job over this because most of the fans blame Pryor and the players for this rather than Tressel. That can't be though because LJ says its all Tressel's fault.
That makes it right?
WTF is your deal today?
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Apr 25, 2011 4:03pm
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Apr 25, 2011 4:04pm
FatHobbit;749789 wrote:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/04/25/ohio-state-tressel-ncaa/index.html?eref=sihp
SI thinks Tressel's time is running out and talk about the NCAA possibly giving a show cause penalty to Tressel. As others have said here I'm not sure what that means to a coach who has a current contract.
Mandel is a doucher, disregard his work regarding OSU.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Apr 25, 2011 4:04pm
I don't have a deal, other than you being as hard headed and argumentative as you are.LJ;749790 wrote:That makes it right?
WTF is your deal today?
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Apr 25, 2011 4:05pm
OneBuckeye;749793 wrote:Mandel is a doucher, disregard his work regarding OSU.
I don't agree with him here, but thought other people might be interested.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Apr 25, 2011 4:08pm
Y-Town Steelhound;749743 wrote:Well that is where I disagree with you. Tressel gets paid to coach the football team, not be their babysitters
Sorry, at the college level, dealing with 18-22 yr olds, you most certainly are a baby sitter. I realize you can't stand watch over 100 players 24/7. But when your franchise player/players are running around flaunting shit here and there, you better start looking into it, or assign someone to do just that.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 25, 2011 4:09pm
karen lotz;749794 wrote:I don't have a deal, other than you being as hard headed and argumentative as you are.
HAHAHAHA, ok, you are the most passive aggressive troll on this website. It's split 50/50, people want to blame Pryor because they think Tressel is a saint, others can see through that and realize that this is Tressel's own doing along with the past he has had.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Apr 25, 2011 4:09pm
karen lotz;749791 wrote:Pat Forde's column...
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=6425516
IMHO there is a HUGE difference between punching a player and not telling when you know players are selling stuff that belongs to them.The only bigger coach than Tressel in Ohio State history was Woody Hayes, winner of AP national championships in 1954 and '68 and the all-time leader in Big Ten conference victories with 152. Yet when Hayes shamed the university by punching Clemson's Charlie Bauman in the 1978 Gator Bowl, igniting a bench-clearing brawl, the school fired him the next day.
If Ohio State could fire its greatest football icon, it can fire Tressel.
Of course, Hayes' assault of Bauman was nationally televised; there was no mistaking or misunderstanding what occurred. It could not be taken out of context, glossed over or ascribed to any plot to take down the coach. A legend punched his way out of a job on live TV, leaving his employer no choice as far as how to act.
I hope if OSU fires Tress, they don't do it because the media told them they should.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Apr 25, 2011 4:14pm
LJ;749808 wrote:It's split 50/50, people want to blame Pryor because they think Tressel is a saint, others can see through that and realize that this is Tressel's own doing along with the past he has had.
I do agree here. Pryor screwed up and has to take responsibility for his mistakes. Tressel is a big boy and he made a choice to not come forward when he found out. He'll have to live with whatever happens and has nobody to blame but himself.
Although I think the NCAA is a joke and they only care about making money.
jhay78
Posts: 1,917
Apr 25, 2011 4:18pm
karen lotz;749791 wrote:Pat Forde's column...
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=6425516
Sorry, but Forde comes off like a pompous windbag there. The violations in question here, while serious, do not (IMO) approach the same level as recruiting violations and other stuff. His players sold some of their own stuff, and he willingly/negligently didn't report it to people he should have. He absolutely should be punished, but to act like the university has no choice but to fire the guy, considering all the other things he's done for the school, is silly.
Now maybe OSU does ultimately go that way, but to me this isn't a clear-cut "they have to fire him" situation.
jhay78
Posts: 1,917
Apr 25, 2011 4:19pm
FatHobbit;749809 wrote:IMHO there is a HUGE difference between punching a player and not telling when you know players are selling stuff that belongs to them.
I hope if OSU fires Tress, they don't do it because the media told them they should.
+1
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Apr 25, 2011 4:19pm
The violations have only to do with lying to the NCAA and playing ineligible players. They are absolutely as serious as recruiting violations.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Apr 25, 2011 4:24pm
O_oschadjoe Joe Schad
Kirk Herbstreit: Ohio State should "quit recruiting players like Maurice Clarett and Terrelle Pryor."
jhay78
Posts: 1,917
Apr 25, 2011 4:29pm
karen lotz;749823 wrote:O_o
Yeah, because nobody else recruited or went all-out for those guys . . .Kirk Herbstreit: Ohio State should "quit recruiting players like Maurice Clarett and Terrelle Pryor."
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Apr 25, 2011 4:33pm
I'd hate hate hate to see tress go. But I have a feeling he's gonna resign. I will hate it when he goes. He's a great coach and even better person!!! It'll be a sad day for sure.
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centralbucksfan
Posts: 5,111
Apr 25, 2011 4:41pm
karen lotz;749821 wrote:The violations have only to do with lying to the NCAA and playing ineligible players. They are absolutely as serious as recruiting violations.
Relatively speaking, yes. And I am not downplaying this at all. But when you look at the crime...this thing is completely blown up more than it should have ever been. Again, we are talking about players who sold what they rightfully owned. Yes, it is against the rules, they should not have done it. The penalty for this, is extremely excessive IMO. And it didn't give OSU any kind of competative edge on the field compared to do what would happen with a recruiting violation..such as paying players to come to your school.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Apr 25, 2011 4:44pm
jhay78;749828 wrote:Yeah, because nobody else recruited or went all-out for those guys . . .
Here we go again. Herbstreit says things about OSU he never says about anyone else. Did he chastise USC for recruiting Bush after the fact? Does he say any SEC schools should have also not recruited Pryor or MC? Of course not. He's a hypocrite and and a jackass.
In fact, he's always lambasting the Big 10 for not going after the high profile, have every talent you need, kind of guys the SEC has, and says it's one reason the conference is inferior. You can't have it both ways -- unless you're a bitchy little analyst with gold highlights and a faux tan.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Apr 25, 2011 4:48pm
cbf, I don't disagree with that. The violations of the players were small and stupid like you said, but they were violations. Those have been dealt with. The bigger issue is Tressel's lying and playing players he knew should be ineligible. The severity of the players' violations has nothing to do with what Tressel will face. Like someone said (LJ maybe??) all of this could have been over with already if Tressel had practiced what he preaches and done his job. Whether he did it to protect his players or to keep his players on the field for a run at a National Championship, he still knowingly broke NCAA rules and made it worse by lying about it.
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bo shemmy3337
Posts: 962
Apr 25, 2011 5:34pm
Tiernan;749362 wrote:Too late for TP to declare for this weekend's draft? His 3 yrs here have been a nightmare. Don't let the screen door hit your ass on the way out and good riddance.
This is what I have been saying for a while now. He is not worth the off the field issues he has brought to the school for 7 or 8 games this year. Most people feel that a national championship is out of the question so I think it is time to move on from him.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 25, 2011 6:32pm
Y-Town Steelhound;749433 wrote:There is no blame on the players for the decision Tressel ultimately made...there is blame on them for causing Tressel to HAVE TO MAKE a decision. I'm not budging off that sentiment. You can link all the wikipedia articles you want, but if you get in a hot tub time machine and go back to 2008 or whenever these guys sold their stuff and prevented that action from taking place...it completely changes the course of history because the decision that Tressel makes (which I agree is his fault) never takes place.
good players are replaceable, a coach like tressel is not
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Apr 25, 2011 6:42pm
LOL at clownstreet comparing Mo C with Pryor.