jhay78;749502 wrote:That's what I'm wondering. I haven't really see anything new since the March presser, when Smith and Gee were gushing praise on JT. And I don't think the NCAA can fire a school's coach, or force a school to fire their coach, or can they?

No but they can punish a coach to a level where it only makes sense to. For example they could limit his time with recruits, number of recruiting visit etc, and also ban him from coach games for 1 year, 2 years, on and on.

dokken;749494 wrote:So if they have to forfeit the Sugar Bowl it will all go back to OSU being winless in bowls against SEC competition.

If anything, it would be vacated and not forfeited. Meaning that the game won't exist in OSU's records (so in that sense, they'd still be winless) but Arkansas would still show a loss to OSU in their record book. So, depending on how you look at that. Though I would say that vacated wins don't really mean shit - as in, everyone knows who won on the field and thats all that really matters.

jhay78;749502 wrote:That's what I'm wondering. I haven't really see anything new since the March presser, when Smith and Gee were gushing praise on JT.

Here's the article I read last week, I guess. A couple of those lines from Smith seem to have a different tone than the original press conference. Could be nothing, but it is definitely not the shining endorsement that had previously occurred.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/2011-04-19-ohio-state-jim-tressel-gene-smith_N.htm?csp=34sports

Smith said Tressel was supposed to apologize in March at a news conference on the situation but failed to do so, and that only after meeting with Smith did the coach finally say he was sorry in a public forum.

Tressel was supposed to apologize that night, but did not.

"Then we got with him and he got better at it," Smith said. "It's an emotional thing."

Smith would not say how much the investigation into Tressel's NCAA troubles would cost, although the university has hired two what he called "expensive" companies to help. He said Ohio State may have to make up the difference by dipping into the money the Buckeyes made from their appearance in the Sugar Bowl.

"It's a nightmare," he said.

karen lotz;749503 wrote:They can't directly fire him, but they can make him unemployable by slapping him with a Show Cause penalty.

Unemployable to other universities. Typically though, a violation that warrants a show cause is bad enough for the university to fire the employee, but if they are under contract, it only applies to them seeking another, an extension, or a new contract. Although, I believe that any coach that has been hit with it had already been fired or resigned before the ruling

LJ;749524 wrote:Unemployable to other universities. Typically though, a violation that warrants a show cause is bad enough for the university to fire the employee, but if they are under contract, it only applies to them seeking another, an extension, or a new contract. Although, I believe that any coach that has been hit with it had already been fired or resigned before the ruling

Yeah I understand that part but like you said no other coach who has been given Show Cause and still been employed. IF Tressel is given Show Cause, I'd think it would force either OSU to let him go or for him to resign.

karen lotz;749540 wrote:Yeah I understand that part but like you said no other coach who has been given Show Cause and still been employed. IF Tressel is given Show Cause, I'd think it would force either OSU to let him go or for him to resign.

Well, I don't think the show cause has every caused someone to get fired, I think it usually comes down after they are unemployed. I think if it gets that bad they are getting fired no matter what. Although, I am not sure he would get hit with it anyway, as every single one has been recruiting violations

Crimson streak;749484 wrote:I think it would be smart for Ohio state to cut ties with tressel. The NCAA will definitely give out a lighter punishment then if they decide to defend tressel

I keep hearing this suggested a lot. But is there any proof that this is true? Any case studies where a school let a coach go and the rulings were less? Sure didn't help Michigan when they fired Fisher.

nwofbfan;749486 wrote:My question is, why do they have to wait until August to rule on this issue? Why not now?

Remember, they aren't ruling in August. OSU just gets to defend itself in August. When Michigan was going through stretch-gate, they went before the NCAA in August and didn't know their fate until the season was almost over.

WebFire;749552 wrote:Remember, they aren't ruling in August. OSU just gets to defend itself in August. When Michigan was going through stretch-gate, they went before the NCAA in August and didn't know their fate until the season was almost over.

Which is going to be akward timing given that it will be about the time Tressel returns to the sidelines.

OneBuckeye;749560 wrote:Which is going to be akward timing given that it will be about the time Tressel returns to the sidelines.

Not to mention it drives you nuts as a fan. It dragged out over the entire season and you were always wondering what was going to happen and people kept speculating.

WebFire;749550 wrote:I keep hearing this suggested a lot. But is there any proof that this is true? Any case studies where a school let a coach go and the rulings were less? Sure didn't help Michigan when they fired Fisher.

Will be interesting to see what happens with the Tennessee basketball situation. Most people think Pearl was let go to lessen the penalties against the program.

LJ;749544 wrote:Well, I don't think the show cause has every caused someone to get fired, I think it usually comes down after they are unemployed. I think if it gets that bad they are getting fired no matter what. Although, I am not sure he would get hit with it anyway, as every single one has been recruiting violations

Right, which is why I said "no other coach has been given Show Cause and still been employed". Bruce Pearl was going to be given Show Cause more than likely, but Tennessee fired him before the NCAA ruled that way.

karen lotz;749571 wrote:Will be interesting to see what happens with the Tennessee basketball situation. Most people think Pearl was let go to lessen the penalties against the program.

I think what makes the situations different is that Pearl just kept comitting violations over and over. I think it's really hard to use that as a measuring stick. It's almost as though if Tenn did not let him go that they could be seen as supporting Pearl's continued violations

I never thought this way before but now I really believe that Tressel will step down rather than see TOSU get dragged through the mud on these issues. It's my opinion that he thinks too much of the program and the institution and will spare it any further embarrassment.

Even if we don't see a ruling until November or December it will tarnish TOSU for the entire season. The speculators will have a field day and I don't think Tressel would allow that to happen.

sleeper;749609 wrote:At least we're not Notre Dame...

Thought I'd get that out of the way.

Y-Town Steelhound;749441 wrote:Thank you. What LJ doesn't understand is that I do believe Tressel is to blame for his actions. But you cannot argue that had the players not done what they did, Tressel would never had been put in the position to make the wrong decision. Doesn't mean I blame the players for Tressel's failures, but their actions put him in the position to make the wrong decision.

But here is the issue I have. Tressel should have been monitoring these players more closely. Hell, I heard rumblings about Pryor a year or so ago in terms of money and clothes he was wearing. On top of that, some(people I know) fairly close to the program thought Pryor was involved with something. You have to have a pulse on your program and players. Tressel is the head coach, period. It starts with him, and ends with him. If it were only one player, I'd say ok..this is a single circumstance. But we are talking about a handful. And kids this age, don't keep their mouth shut very long about things. I'd bet money Tressel heard about some things even prior to getting the emails. And just as he did with the emails, he turned a blind eye. Thats my two cents.

As for next season..its a wash IMO. It means nothing. Its stained and will be even worse when the players return after their 5 games. The whole thing will be rehashed over and over. I'd luv to fast forward through next year to be honest. I look more forward to basketball(OSU) season right now.

OneBuckeye;749472 wrote:The dispatch got all email/phone records from Gee Smith and Tressel and found nothing. What more do you want?

so he couldn't have said something to them in person?

LJ;749473 wrote:It's getting higher percentage that he didn't. With only a few months of emails missing, way after emailgate occured, your changes of being correct are dwindling.

emails yes, but who's to say he didn't say something to one (or both) of them "in confidence", and in person? just a thought

vball10set;749652 wrote:emails yes, but who's to say he didn't say something to one (or both) of them "in confidence", and in person? just a thought

So that would come out how? I really think you are stretching with this theory at this point.

LJ;749666 wrote:So that would come out how? I really think you are stretching with this theory at this point.

LJ, why do you continually feel threatened by someone else having a theory? in the words of Andy Dufrane, stop being so obtuse :rolleyes:

So from what I gather from the NCAA:

$13,385 > The negligent death of a 20 year old

vball10set;749673 wrote:LJ, why do you continually feel threatened by someone else having a theory? in the words of Andy Dufrane, stop being so obtuse :rolleyes:

Who says I am threatened? I just feel that this theory is an extreme long shot at this point. Even if he did tell Smith, in private, in person, what proof would there be? There would be no way for the NCAA to prove it. I'm not sure why you think I am "threatened" by your theory that all signs point to being wrong...

sleeper;749678 wrote:So from what I gather from the NCAA:

$13,385 > The negligent death of a 20 year old

Last I checked the NCAA doesn't police interns in lifts.

centralbucksfan;749641 wrote:But here is the issue I have. Tressel should have been monitoring these players more closely. Hell, I heard rumblings about Pryor a year or so ago in terms of money and clothes he was wearing. On top of that, some(people I know) fairly close to the program thought Pryor was involved with something. You have to have a pulse on your program and players. Tressel is the head coach, period. It starts with him, and ends with him. If it were only one player, I'd say ok..this is a single circumstance. But we are talking about a handful. And kids this age, don't keep their mouth shut very long about things. I'd bet money Tressel heard about some things even prior to getting the emails. And just as he did with the emails, he turned a blind eye. Thats my two cents.

As for next season..its a wash IMO. It means nothing. Its stained and will be even worse when the players return after their 5 games. The whole thing will be rehashed over and over. I'd luv to fast forward through next year to be honest. I look more forward to basketball(OSU) season right now.

Well that is where I disagree with you. Tressel gets paid to coach the football team, not be their babysitters

Anthony Rothman on ESPN College Football Live just said Tressel won't lose his job over this because most of the fans blame Pryor and the players for this rather than Tressel. That can't be though because LJ says its all Tressel's fault.