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bigkahuna
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Apr 24, 2011 12:05am
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6382097
When I first saw this, it was a little different. There was a quote about Tim Collins "Head of Football and Video" stating he didn't didn't see any reason not to have practice outside that day.
I'm not trolling, but there was a change in the article from the first time I saw it at work on Thursday to now.
I find it astonishing that nobody realized the information they were using on the storms was over an hour old.
When I first saw this, it was a little different. There was a quote about Tim Collins "Head of Football and Video" stating he didn't didn't see any reason not to have practice outside that day.
I'm not trolling, but there was a change in the article from the first time I saw it at work on Thursday to now.
I find it astonishing that nobody realized the information they were using on the storms was over an hour old.
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rock_knutne
Apr 24, 2011 12:09am
You're a week too late.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Apr 24, 2011 12:09am
The report said NOBODY was at fault?
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bigkahuna
Posts: 4,454
Apr 24, 2011 12:52am
Sorry. When I say said that, I was meaning No Body as in no single person. They're saying it was a collective screw up.
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bigkahuna
Posts: 4,454
Apr 24, 2011 12:52am
rock_knutne;748645 wrote:You're a week too late.
I just saw it on Thursday and forgot about it until tonight. I was a little bored and figured I'd post it since there was nothing else about it?
Tobias Fünke
Posts: 2,387
Apr 24, 2011 1:38am
bigkahuna;748675 wrote:Sorry. When I say said that, I was meaning No Body as in no single person. They're saying it was a collective screw up.
Please define for the crowd who "they" is.
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bigkahuna
Posts: 4,454
Apr 24, 2011 9:35am
Tobias Fünke;748696 wrote:Please define for the crowd who "they" is.
Well, whoever conducted and published the report. According to the article, Notre Dame did an investigation regarding the matter and found that no single person was at fault. Like I said, it was a collective crew up. Everyone involved could have done something a little differently.
The people looking at the weather information could have been more alert and seen that their information was over an hour old for example.
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
Apr 24, 2011 9:43am
No single person does not mean the same as NOBODY. Unless you are Brian Hamilton of course.
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rock_knutne
Apr 24, 2011 10:37am
I'm sure in that report that University President, Fr. Jenkins, assumed total blame as he stated as president, he is ultimately responsible for all University operations and all people overseeing those individual operations. Plus, the Sullivan family made a statement that they are satisfied with ND's actions. Closed case IMO.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 24, 2011 1:35pm
rock_knutne;748755 wrote:I'm sure in that report that University President, Fr. Jenkins, assumed total blame as he stated as president, he is ultimately responsible for all University operations and all people overseeing those individual operations. Plus, the Sullivan family made a statement that they are satisfied with ND's actions. Closed case IMO.
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mella
Posts: 647
Apr 24, 2011 7:39pm
Thugs.
Actually, after reading the report, it was a collective screw up. Sometimes accidents do happen however careless or stupid they appear to be.
Actually, after reading the report, it was a collective screw up. Sometimes accidents do happen however careless or stupid they appear to be.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 24, 2011 8:25pm
In reality Note Dame decided not to punish anyone for their screw up.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Apr 24, 2011 8:34pm
And how would you have them punish a general mistake? Fire everybody? Make one person the fall guy and fire them? OSHA fined them the max by state law....it was an overall screw up, what happened to Declan Sullivan is awful and can't be undone unfortunately. I'm just not sure what punishment you wanted them to impose and which individual(s) get(s) punished.LJ;749055 wrote:In reality Note Dame decided not to punish anyone for their screw up.
Tobias Fünke
Posts: 2,387
Apr 24, 2011 8:42pm
I'm also not sure what more you want if the Sullivan's have said what was done is satisfactory in their eyes.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Apr 24, 2011 8:45pm
When you have a general clusterfuck of a situation like they did (basically the entire process of determining whether he should be up there was flawed, if there even really was a process), there isn't going to be any one person to pin it onto. At which point, you just send the blame to the top, and the President accepted it.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 24, 2011 9:17pm
Yes. Plain and simple. I've fired whole contract crews for lesser accidents. Unacceptable IMO from a business standpoint. This has nothing to do with college football, that has to do with the chain of command being inept.killer_ewok;749058 wrote:And how would you have them punish a general mistake? Fire everybody?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 24, 2011 9:18pm
Tobias Fünke;749062 wrote:I'm also not sure what more you want if the Sullivan's have said what was done is satisfactory in their eyes.
Because it is acceptable in their eyes means it has to be so in my opinion? Like I said, I have fired whole crews for much less.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Apr 24, 2011 9:36pm
ts1227;749063 wrote:When you have a general clusterfuck of a situation like they did (basically the entire process of determining whether he should be up there was flawed, if there even really was a process), there isn't going to be any one person to pin it onto. At which point, you just send the blame to the top, and the President accepted it.
Good post.
Crimson streak
Posts: 9,002
Apr 24, 2011 9:53pm
LJ;749089 wrote:Because it is acceptable in their eyes means it has to be so in my opinion? Like I said, I have fired whole crews for much less.
Yeah because some guy on a message boards opinion is way more important than the sullivan familys. Give it up seriously. It was a collective fuck up and really no single person is at fault. It was an accident. Could it have been prevented? Yes, but no one would have ever thought something like this would happen. Out of all of this it is making coaches more aware to prevent an accident like this to happen again.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 24, 2011 10:00pm
Where did I say that? I said that it doesn't make it right and that will never change my opinion.Crimson streak;749116 wrote:Yeah because some guy on a message boards opinion is way more important than the sullivan familys.
end of story. It could have been prevented, which is the problem. If it was a freak gust of wind on a calm day, ok freak accident. That is not the case.Could it have been prevented? Yes
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enigmaax
Posts: 4,511
Apr 24, 2011 10:32pm
ts1227;749063 wrote:At which point, you just send the blame to the top, and the President accepted it.
Did the President step down?
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 24, 2011 10:33pm
enigmaax;749135 wrote:Did the President step down?
No
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enigmaax
Posts: 4,511
Apr 24, 2011 11:48pm
LJ;749136 wrote:No
So (I know you didn't say this) ... how did the President "accept" responisibility? He just said, "my bad"?
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Apr 25, 2011 12:24am
ts1227;749063 wrote:When you have a general clusterfuck of a situation like they did (basically the entire process of determining whether he should be up there was flawed, if there even really was a process), there isn't going to be any one person to pin it onto. At which point, you just send the blame to the top, and the President accepted it.
Good post.
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rock_knutne
Apr 25, 2011 5:41am
LJ;749055 wrote:In reality Note Dame decided not to punish anyone for their screw up.
LJ;749088 wrote:Yes. Plain and simple. I've fired whole contract crews for lesser accidents. Unacceptable IMO from a business standpoint. This has nothing to do with college football, that has to do with the chain of command being inept.
LJ;749089 wrote:Because it is acceptable in their eyes means it has to be so in my opinion? Like I said, I have fired whole crews for much less.
Nobody cares about your opinion!