Reds vs Astros...Game 1

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Apr 5, 2011 11:52 AM
I'd guess he avged right around 100 pitches per start.
Apr 5, 2011 11:52am
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Apr 5, 2011 11:54 AM
Yes, Cueto averaged 100 and Volquez averaged 102.

Overworked? Ruined by Dusty?
Apr 5, 2011 11:54am
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Apr 5, 2011 11:56 AM
How many times did Cueto pitch well over 100 pitches then have to get pulled the next start because his arm was fatigued and he was getting rocked?
Apr 5, 2011 11:56am
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Apr 5, 2011 11:59 AM
In 2010? None. Nice try, though.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=cuetojo01&t=p&year=2010

The only thing that stands out is at the end of the season when he pitched 124, 101, then 49 after giving up 8 runs in 1.1 innings. But he pitched fine in the 101 pitch game right after the 124 pitch game.
Apr 5, 2011 11:59am
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Apr 5, 2011 12:05 PM
time will tell, but I think his track record speaks for itself. Whats going on with that bet?
Apr 5, 2011 12:05pm
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Apr 5, 2011 12:11 PM
Dusty didn't have anything to do with those injuries. It would be one thing if he drove them into the ground, but he didn't. Their avg. pitches per outing speaks for itself. At the end of the day, injuries happen

As for Chapman, the Reds have been extremely cautious with Chapman since they've had him. I think they had some sort of rule where he had a required amount of rest after each outing
Apr 5, 2011 12:11pm
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Apr 5, 2011 12:12 PM
Tuck your tail in run CoA,You are being pwned.
Apr 5, 2011 12:12pm
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Apr 5, 2011 12:12 PM
LJ;733297 wrote:+1

What a troll
Commander of Awesome;733298 wrote:Oh bitter bc your manager is going to ruin your best young prospects? ok.

I don't know man, he doesn't exactly come off as passive here.
Apr 5, 2011 12:12pm
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Apr 5, 2011 12:13 PM
Commander of Awesome;733327 wrote:time will tell, but I think his track record speaks for itself. Whats going on with that bet?

What would you like to bet?
Apr 5, 2011 12:13pm
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Apr 5, 2011 12:18 PM
justincredible;733337 wrote:What would you like to bet?

Give COA some money or something so that he will leave his mom's basement for a couple of hours.
Apr 5, 2011 12:18pm
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Apr 5, 2011 12:19 PM
Shut up turdo. You went to Marietta College.
Apr 5, 2011 12:19pm
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Apr 5, 2011 12:21 PM
justincredible;733337 wrote:What would you like to bet?

You said what? 91 games? How about a sig bet? They win under 90 or under I win, 91 or over you win. Sig remains until end of post season? If you'd like to make more stakes involving the playoffs I'm open.
Apr 5, 2011 12:21pm
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Apr 5, 2011 12:23 PM
jordo212000;733331 wrote: injuries happen


this is true, but there are steps you can take to try and reduce them. Some of it pure chance, but I also think there's something to the Dusty Baker criticism.
jordo212000;733331 wrote: As for Chapman, the Reds have been extremely cautious with Chapman since they've had him. I think they had some sort of rule where he had a required amount of rest after each outing
Lets hope so, he's fun as hell to watch and an interesting story. I think the Reds success also depends on his performance.
Apr 5, 2011 12:23pm
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Apr 5, 2011 12:29 PM
I ask for proof showing Dusty contributed to Homer or Cueto being injured, I get 8 year old stats and articles regarding Kerry Wood and Mark Pryor. Thats some serious debatin' skills there.
Apr 5, 2011 12:29pm
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Apr 5, 2011 12:30 PM
Commander of Awesome;733350 wrote:this is true, but there are steps you can take to try and reduce them. Some of it pure chance, but I also think there's something to the Dusty Baker criticism.



Lets hope so, he's fun as hell to watch and an interesting story. I think the Reds success also depends on his performance.

They are taking steps to reduce them? They use pitch counts and usher most guys out of the game at 100 pitches. Baker has done nothing since he has been in Cincinnati to suggest he is a pitcher killer. He actually seems to be going out of his way to make sure that connotation goes away.

Chapman is a great pitcher and is important to the team, but let's be honest. Right now he is a 7th inning pitcher / lefty specialist. Massett is the setup man and Cordero is the closer. For now, our success probably has little to do with his performance. When he becomes a closer or a starter, I think we can then start tracing our success to his performance
Apr 5, 2011 12:30pm
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Apr 5, 2011 12:34 PM
Commander of Awesome;733348 wrote:You said what? 91 games? How about a sig bet? They win under 90 or under I win, 91 or over you win. Sig remains until end of post season? If you'd like to make more stakes involving the playoffs I'm open.

They won 91 games last year. I said they'll win more so 92 or over I win, 91 or less you win.

Make it a sig and avatar bet through the postseason.
Apr 5, 2011 12:34pm
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Apr 5, 2011 12:37 PM
Reds might make it to 92 wins by August.
Apr 5, 2011 12:37pm
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Apr 5, 2011 12:43 PM
justincredible;733367 wrote:They won 91 games last year. I said they'll win more so 92 or over I win, 91 or less you win.

Make it a sig and avatar bet through the postseason.
I find these terms agreeable. This will help keep my interest through the season when the Tribe have 32 wins in Aug.
Apr 5, 2011 12:43pm
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Apr 5, 2011 12:46 PM
jordo212000;733360 wrote:They are taking steps to reduce them? They use pitch counts and usher most guys out of the game at 100 pitches. Baker has done nothing since he has been in Cincinnati to suggest he is a pitcher killer. He actually seems to be going out of his way to make sure that connotation goes away.

Chapman is a great pitcher and is important to the team, but let's be honest. Right now he is a 7th inning pitcher / lefty specialist. Massett is the setup man and Cordero is the closer. For now, our success probably has little to do with his performance. When he becomes a closer or a starter, I think we can then start tracing our success to his performance
Well I hope so as I think he's a good manager, and obviously hate to see a young kids career ruined by an idiot manager.

As for Chapman, early in the season I would agree, but I think they have bigger plans for him down the stretch. If he's not the setup man at least by mid to late july I'd be a little surprised.
Apr 5, 2011 12:46pm
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Apr 5, 2011 12:46 PM
Commander of Awesome;733378 wrote:I find these terms agreeable. This will help keep my interest through the season when the Tribe have 32 wins in Aug.

Spend some of the season learning about your team. I find it extremely sad that you had never heard of Alex White or Drew Pomeranz
Apr 5, 2011 12:46pm
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Apr 5, 2011 12:49 PM
jordo212000;733385 wrote:Spend some of the season learning about your team. I find it extremely sad that you had never heard of Alex White or Drew Pomeranz

I have heard of them, I'm just not excited by them.
Apr 5, 2011 12:49pm
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Apr 5, 2011 1:15 PM
justincredible;733374 wrote:Reds might make it to 92 wins by August.
Really? You must believe the reds are going to win 100+ games this year.
jordo212000;733385 wrote:Spend some of the season learning about your team. I find it extremely sad that you had never heard of Alex White or Drew Pomeranz

Take your own advice.
Apr 5, 2011 1:15pm
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Apr 5, 2011 1:23 PM
like_that;733412 wrote:Really? You must believe the reds are going to win 100+ games this year.
Oh, you've never heard of an exaggeration?
Apr 5, 2011 1:23pm
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Apr 5, 2011 1:31 PM
justincredible;733417 wrote:Oh, you've never heard of an exaggeration?

Oh, you've never heard of a justincredile sarcasm response?
Apr 5, 2011 1:31pm