LJ
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Mar 26, 2011 7:58pm
SportsAndLady;725834 wrote:1984....come on....
Notre Dame 1990
LJ
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Mar 26, 2011 8:00pm
DePaul 1989
Skyhook79
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Mar 26, 2011 8:00pm
SportsAndLady;725832 wrote:because every time I say that line, I don't include Donovan and everyone flips out...they freak when I say his 2 titles were because of that recruiting class...so I added him to please the masses.
But you're right..I shouldn't have added him in there.
If you don't believe that he is then you should not put him in there but you should have Tom Izzo above Williams,Donovan and Self.
SportsAndLady
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Mar 26, 2011 8:01pm
So 3 examples in 27 years..and you wanted Self to do it a couple times in the mid 90s? Come on
SportsAndLady
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Mar 26, 2011 8:01pm
Skyhook79;725839 wrote:If you don't believe that he is then you should not put him in there but you should have Tom Izzo above Williams,Donovan and Self.
I agree...I was just throwing in a few off the top of my head
LJ
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Mar 26, 2011 8:03pm
SportsAndLady;725840 wrote:So 3 examples in 27 years..and you wanted Self to do it a couple times in the mid 90s? Come on
DePaul had 18 NCAA appearances as an independent
Notre Dame had 25 as an independent
SportsAndLady
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Mar 26, 2011 8:11pm
LJ;725845 wrote:DePaul had 18 NCAA appearances as an independent
Notre Dame had 25 as an independent
yeah that's Depaul and Notre Dame...this is Oral roberts, they just entered division 1 lol
Not to mention, independents were non existent from the 90s on
Skyhook79
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Mar 26, 2011 8:14pm
SportsAndLady;725853 wrote:yeah that's Depaul and Notre Dame...this is Oral roberts, they just entered division 1 lol
Not to mention, independents were non existent from the 90s on
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/conferences/indp/
just sayin....
LJ
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Mar 26, 2011 8:15pm
SportsAndLady;725853 wrote:yeah that's Depaul and Notre Dame...this is Oral roberts, they just entered division 1 lol
Not to mention, independents were non existent from the 90s on
They were only NAIA for 2 years dude.
Whatever makes you feel better about the fact that Self was a .500 coach in his first gig
LJ
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Mar 26, 2011 8:16pm
Skyhook79;725854 wrote:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/conferences/indp/
just sayin....
Notre Dame was still an independent until 1995. The early and mid 90's is when everyone joined up. The fact that they were still getting bids when Self was coaching at Oral Roberts makes your whole argument dumb.
Skyhook79
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Mar 26, 2011 8:21pm
LJ;725856 wrote:Notre Dame was still an independent until 1995. The early and mid 90's is when everyone joined up. The fact that they were still getting bids when Self was coaching at Oral Roberts makes your whole argument dumb.
Not sure why you quoted my post but I was just pointing out to S&L that independents still exist and they are not "non-existent".
LJ
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Mar 26, 2011 8:23pm
Skyhook79;725858 wrote:Not sure why you quoted my post but I was just pointing out to S&L that independents still exist and they are not "non-existent".
Thought it was him saying.....
nvm my bad
SportsAndLady
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Mar 26, 2011 8:23pm
non existent in the basketball world...obviously I know there are independents...not one of those teams is worth a damn nor relevant in NCAA basketball
And Notre Dame was getting bids in the early 90s because they're notre dame...this is oral roberst were talking about
And I'm not gonna feel good about anything...I could care less about this argument..i'm just bored on a saturday night
And Notre Dame was getting bids in the early 90s because they're notre dame...this is oral roberst were talking about
And I'm not gonna feel good about anything...I could care less about this argument..i'm just bored on a saturday night
GOONx19
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Mar 26, 2011 8:29pm
I have honestly never heard of any of the schools in that link.
Azubuike24
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Mar 26, 2011 8:37pm
LJ;725822 wrote:He was a .500 coach. Maybe if he had coached his team to great regular seasons they could have received one of the at large bids.
You do realize this is an absolutely RIDICULOUS statement. There is no way an independent gets an at-large bid in today's era.
LJ
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Mar 26, 2011 8:39pm
Azubuike24;725872 wrote:You do realize this is an absolutely RIDICULOUS statement. There is no way an independent gets an at-large bid in today's era.
Didn't know that the early 90's while teams were still getting independent bids was "today's era"
77Legend
Posts: 615
Mar 26, 2011 8:41pm
Big Gain.......You say we needed more scoring not Lauderdale. Have you ever heard of the term defense? If we slowed them down more, scoring 60 points for OSU should be a win. But we couldn't stop them! Although they use the term mostly in football, Defense wins championships and offense wins games, this applies here. Especially when you are not scoring as well, you have to depend on your defense. Lauderdale should not have been on the bench that long! We were only outrebounded 31-30, but 18 rebs from UK came from Harrellson 6'10'' (10) and Jones 6'8'' (8). 16 of OSU rebounds came from Sully alone, the next was 6 from Craft who is 6'0'' generously! You telling me that Lauderdale would not have made a bigger impact. Harrellson and Jones on the floor is a mismatch for OSU with only Sullinger on the floor. Numbers don't lie!
Azubuike24
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Mar 26, 2011 9:09pm
Today's era, year 2011. It's NOT going to happen. Not with 346 D-1 teams and 31 automatic bids. It would take a team to come together with elite level talent, play a RIDICULOUS OOC schedule and manage to win 60% or more of those games. Otherwise, the RPI's and SOS's wouldn't get close.
THREE TEAMS who were Independents have had RPI's under 200 in the last 7 years. It's safe to say it's IMPOSSIBLE.
THREE TEAMS who were Independents have had RPI's under 200 in the last 7 years. It's safe to say it's IMPOSSIBLE.
LJ
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Mar 26, 2011 9:26pm
Azubuike24;725894 wrote:Today's era, year 2011. It's NOT going to happen. Not with 346 D-1 teams and 31 automatic bids. It would take a team to come together with elite level talent, play a RIDICULOUS OOC schedule and manage to win 60% or more of those games. Otherwise, the RPI's and SOS's wouldn't get close.
THREE TEAMS who were Independents have had RPI's under 200 in the last 7 years. It's safe to say it's IMPOSSIBLE.
What the flying fuck does that have to do with what we are talking about. Bill Self coached an independent team from 93-97 and the team joined a league in 97. Who cares about 2011
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mallymal614
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Mar 26, 2011 9:40pm
Jared Sullinger just said live on the air during the Ohio High School basketball championship game that he is a man of his word and that he WILL be returning next year. Sounds like he really is coming back.
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Prescott
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Mar 26, 2011 10:48pm
That isn't what Brad Stevens said..Donovan just got outcoached by Brad Stevens,
SportsAndLady
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Mar 26, 2011 10:57pm
Prescott;725980 wrote:That isn't what Brad Stevens said.
I saw that...obviously Stevens knows good professionalism and realizes that you don't patronize someone who has been in the final four 3 times and has done something he has never done--win a title.
reclegend22
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Mar 26, 2011 11:55pm
Why are we discussing what Bill Self did at a charismatic christian school in the middle of nowhere in Oklahoma in the early 1990s?
Bill Self has gone to the Elite Eight with three different teams since 2000 -- the Tulsa Golden freaking Hurricane, Illinois and Kansas -- and has reached six Elite Eights overall. He coached the Jayhawks to a 37-2 record and national championship in 2008 and is playing for another Final Four birth tomorrow afternoon. He is a five-time finalist for the Naismith National Coach of the Year award and has two Big Ten title and seven Big XII titles to his credit.
STFU.
Bill Self has gone to the Elite Eight with three different teams since 2000 -- the Tulsa Golden freaking Hurricane, Illinois and Kansas -- and has reached six Elite Eights overall. He coached the Jayhawks to a 37-2 record and national championship in 2008 and is playing for another Final Four birth tomorrow afternoon. He is a five-time finalist for the Naismith National Coach of the Year award and has two Big Ten title and seven Big XII titles to his credit.
STFU.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Mar 26, 2011 11:57pm
Why are we discussing what Bill Self did at a charismatic christian school in the middle of nowhere in Oklahoma in the early 1990s?
Bill Self has gone to the Elite Eight with three different teams since 2000 -- the Tulsa Golden freaking Hurricane, Illinois and Kansas -- and has reached six Elite Eights overall. He coached the Jayhawks to a 37-2 record and national championship in 2008 and is playing for another Final Four birth tomorrow afternoon. He is a five-time finalist for the Naismith National Coach of the Year award and has two Big Ten titles and seven Big XII titles to his credit.
STFU.
Bill Self has gone to the Elite Eight with three different teams since 2000 -- the Tulsa Golden freaking Hurricane, Illinois and Kansas -- and has reached six Elite Eights overall. He coached the Jayhawks to a 37-2 record and national championship in 2008 and is playing for another Final Four birth tomorrow afternoon. He is a five-time finalist for the Naismith National Coach of the Year award and has two Big Ten titles and seven Big XII titles to his credit.
STFU.
LJ
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Mar 27, 2011 12:14am
reclegend22;726016 wrote:Why are we discussing what Bill Self did at a charismatic christian school in the middle of nowhere in Oklahoma in the early 1990s?
Bill Self has gone to the Elite Eight with three different teams since 2000 -- the Tulsa Golden freaking Hurricane, Illinois and Kansas -- and has reached six Elite Eights overall. He coached the Jayhawks to a 37-2 record and national championship in 2008 and is playing for another Final Four birth tomorrow afternoon. He is a five-time finalist for the Naismith National Coach of the Year award and has two Big Ten titles and seven Big XII titles to his credit.
STFU.
And has been coaching seven more years than Matta.
Stfu.
Mattas first 11 years > Selfs. You cant deny that