Should Jim Tressel Step Down?

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Mar 9, 2011 4:04 PM
LJ;705192 wrote:People respect Spielman for what he and his family have done for breast cancer. Please, don't confuse the two, as that would be an insult to he and his deceased wife.

Are you really trying to argue that Spielman is not respected here in Columbus? People care what he has to say. Don't try to say otherwise.
Mar 9, 2011 4:04pm
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Mar 9, 2011 4:06 PM
thedynasty1998;705246 wrote:Are you really trying to argue that Spielman is not respected here in Columbus? People care what he has to say. Don't try to say otherwise.

I do not give a shit about what Chris Spielman has to say.
Mar 9, 2011 4:06pm
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Mar 9, 2011 4:06 PM
thedynasty1998;705246 wrote:Are you really trying to argue that Spielman is not respected here in Columbus? People care what he has to say. Don't try to say otherwise.

People think that Spielman says some ok things and some really dumb things. He is respected as a man for what he and his family have done for breast cancer. Where the fuck did I say that he was not respected? A lot of people just think that he is a tard a lot of the time when it comes to his analysis. Usually he is wrong.
Mar 9, 2011 4:06pm
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Mar 9, 2011 4:10 PM
LJ;705253 wrote:People think that Spielman says some ok things and some really dumb things. He is respected as a man for what he and his family have done for breast cancer. Where the fuck did I say that he was not respected? A lot of people just think that he is a tard a lot of the time when it comes to his analysis. Usually he is wrong.

I can't stand Spielman on the radio, but I respect him as a man. And I think he's the biggest OSU homer of them all, so for him to say the punishment should be more, I think that's saying something. I never said that you should respect his opinion, or anyone else on here, however he does have a voice that none of us have and his opinion is respected.

If Chris Spielman calls Gene Smith and asks for a sit down to talk about this situation, he's probably going to get one at some point. If any one of us call, we don't even get through to ask.
Mar 9, 2011 4:10pm
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Mar 9, 2011 4:20 PM
I can't wait until the next coach gets tipped off about a federal investigation. He'll have to expose the investigation to avoid the wrath of the NCAA. I think the last thing the NCAA wants to do is ^&*% off the feds.
Mar 9, 2011 4:20pm
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Mar 9, 2011 4:21 PM
bigorangebuck22;705274 wrote:I can't wait until the next coach gets tipped off about a federal investigation. He'll have to expose the investigation to avoid the wrath of the NCAA. I think the last thing the NCAA wants to do is ^&*% off the feds.

That's not the issue. Why are people not able to comprehend what is going on here?

Tressel knowingly played players who were ineligible and he lied directly the the NCAA during an investigation.
Mar 9, 2011 4:21pm
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Mar 9, 2011 4:44 PM
The correct answer is not yet. As of now he is fine and most likely will be the coach for a few more years. If more is to come than maybe but I do not see him going out this way. He is a competitor and I can not see him leaving like this.
Mar 9, 2011 4:44pm
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Mar 9, 2011 5:41 PM
thedynasty1998;705276 wrote:Tressel knowingly played players who were ineligible and he lied directly the the NCAA during an investigation.

That's not the issue. Tressel did not pass along information to the OSU compliance department regarding the April and June emails that indicated a possible NCAA violation. At the receipt of the emails, he is not in a position to assume those players become automatically ineligible. There is a process before that is determined. Tressel did not start said process.

Therefore, he did not knowling play ineligible players, as the players were not deemed ineligible by the appropriate authorities on the matter.
Mar 9, 2011 5:41pm
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Mar 9, 2011 5:53 PM
thedynasty1998;705257 wrote:I can't stand Spielman on the radio.

Then why are you listening to him and agreeing with what he's saying?
Mar 9, 2011 5:53pm
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Mar 9, 2011 5:54 PM
dat dude;705442 wrote:That's not the issue. Tressel did not pass along information to the OSU compliance department regarding the April and June emails that indicated a possible NCAA violation. At the receipt of the emails, he is not in a position to assume those players become automatically ineligible. There is a process before that is determined. Tressel did not start said process.

Therefore, he did not knowling play ineligible players, as the players were not deemed ineligible by the appropriate authorities on the matter.

Fan-fucking-tastic thank you finally someone gets it.
Mar 9, 2011 5:54pm
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Mar 9, 2011 5:54 PM
You honestly believe that Tressel didn't think those players would be ineligible if he passed the information on to the compliance people? He said he would hold the rings of any players named as collateral and there was talk of reclaiming the evidence. He has been a head coach for how long and was an AD at Youngstown State and you honestly think he didn't know what the players had done/were doing would lead to them being unable to play?
Mar 9, 2011 5:54pm
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Mar 9, 2011 5:58 PM
karen lotz;705455 wrote:You honestly believe that Tressel didn't think those players would be ineligible if he passed the information on to the compliance people? He said he would hold the rings of any players named as collateral and there was talk of reclaiming the evidence. He has been a head coach for how long and was an AD at Youngstown State and you honestly think he didn't know what the players had done/were doing would lead to them being unable to play?

It doesn't matter if he thought that or not. They had not been declared ineligible. Therefore, he did not knowingly play ineligible players.
Mar 9, 2011 5:58pm
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Mar 9, 2011 6:00 PM
I can't believe people are still on this. Tressel made a mistake, and because its Ohio State, we come out and say what happened and punish the party involved.

It's over and done with, OSU is still one of the cleanest programs in the country. Just because we make our problems public does not make OSU a dirty program.

Keep hatin'.
Mar 9, 2011 6:00pm
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Mar 9, 2011 6:01 PM
He knew damn well that they would be ruled ineligible if he forwarded the information to compliance. Would you agree with that? He wasn't protecting the players, he was protecting his team and its #2 preseason ranking.
Mar 9, 2011 6:01pm
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Mar 9, 2011 6:12 PM
If Tressel is fired then every OSU player involved should be banned from any NCAA participation. The players did this and the coach is taking the blame.
Mar 9, 2011 6:12pm
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Mar 9, 2011 6:19 PM
karen lotz;705461 wrote:He knew damn well that they would be ruled ineligible if he forwarded the information to compliance. Would you agree with that? .

No, but thanks for letting us into your mindset Coach Tressel.
Mar 9, 2011 6:19pm
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Mar 9, 2011 6:20 PM
No.

The man made a mistake and he is going to pay for it. Hes not the first and he certainly wont be the last coach in the country to fuck up.
Mar 9, 2011 6:20pm
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Mar 9, 2011 6:23 PM
Story of the year. The Ohio State University (after all the suspensions) wins the National Championship!!
Mar 9, 2011 6:23pm
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Mar 9, 2011 6:26 PM
karen lotz;705461 wrote:He knew damn well that they would be ruled ineligible if he forwarded the information to compliance. Would you agree with that? He wasn't protecting the players, he was protecting his team and its #2 preseason ranking.

Come on. We dont know that.
Mar 9, 2011 6:26pm
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Mar 9, 2011 6:33 PM
sleeper;705459 wrote:I can't believe people are still on this. Tressel made a mistake, and because its Ohio State, we come out and say what happened and punish the party involved.

It's over and done with, OSU is still one of the cleanest programs in the country. Just because we make our problems public does not make OSU a dirty program.

Keep hatin'.

I don't know. As a school, you're already on a list with about half of the schools that play FBS football with major violations this decade (please note that means the other half of those schools did not have major violations). And now you're on a shorter list of schools who have had major violations in both of its major sports in a short timeframe. And Tressel is now on yet another short list of head coaches who have been suspended for violations. That doesn't necessarily make you one of the dirtiest...but it sure as hell shoots down any thoughts you have of being one of the cleanest. Oh and by the way, that straight-laced Big Ten had more schools with major violations than any other conference.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2011/02/07/ncaa_punishes_almost_half_of_members_of_football_bowl_subdivision_for_major_rules_violations
Mar 9, 2011 6:33pm
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Mar 9, 2011 6:43 PM
We really don't know anything. People are acting like these players never do any wrong and the coach receives nothing but praise for their actions(I am being a little extreme). I would be willing to bet he gets email and receives feedback all the time that I.E. someone saw Pryor getting a free steak last night. I would also be willing to bet that many coaches all around the country get feedback all the time of this shit going on. What I am getting at is, many times coaches probably turn the other cheek or handle that shit internally(which we may not know that he did). Is what he did wrong and should he be punished? Absolutely. Am I blind enough to think that what he did wrong was the crime of the century and it doesn't happen at most programs other programs? Absolutely not.
Mar 9, 2011 6:43pm
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Mar 9, 2011 6:49 PM
What Tressel Did is April was fine with me. He was told it was confidential and not to say anything. Now where i have a problem with is when he lied to the NCAA in December after the info was out to the public so keeping it confidential did not matter and he wasnt protecting anyone anymore. If he would have said in December I knew since April but was told to keep it confidential by a federal investigator so i Didnt tell anyone I would have no problem what so ever with what happen but for waiting until jan to say he knew is what makes it bad.
Mar 9, 2011 6:49pm
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Mar 9, 2011 7:39 PM
sportchampps;705500 wrote:What Tressel Did is April was fine with me. He was told it was confidential and not to say anything. Now where i have a problem with is when he lied to the NCAA in December after the info was out to the public so keeping it confidential did not matter and he wasnt protecting anyone anymore. If he would have said in December I knew since April but was told to keep it confidential by a federal investigator so i Didnt tell anyone I would have no problem what so ever with what happen but for waiting until jan to say he knew is what makes it bad.

Two points to realize here with your post.

1. In the first email...dated April 2nd, there was no mention of confidentiality. The idea of confidentiality did not come out until the email dated April 16th. Tressel had 2 weeks to start the process of turning info over to the compliance office. Unless somehow he knew without being told that the info was to remain confidential?

2. It was not a federal investigator. It was an OSU alum (which has come out recently) who was advising the tattoo parlor guy. That was another piece of information that wasn't revealed until the second email on the 16th.

So as of April 2nd. Tressel gets an email saying his players are selling stuff and are involved with some bad people. Tressel says he will get right on it. But then does nothing. Two weeks go by, and the next email comes in. This is when confidentiality is brought up, and this is what Tressel is hanging his whole defense of his actions on. My first question if I'm the NCAA is why wasn't it reported between April 2nd and April 16th? No mention of confidentiality...no mention of the attorney advising the tattoo parlor guy...just info about his players.

Other than that...I agree with you. Hiding the info from the NCAA in December should be the nail in the coffin in this case.
Mar 9, 2011 7:39pm
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Mar 9, 2011 7:43 PM
karen lotz;705461 wrote:He knew damn well that they would be ruled ineligible if he forwarded the information to compliance. Would you agree with that?
lhslep134;705468 wrote:No, but thanks for letting us into your mindset Coach Tressel.

You're honestly going to sit there and expect us to believe that you DON'T agree with the statement that Tressel knew full well that the players would be ruled ineligible if he turned over the info?! Come on man...I know you're close to the program (or something like that), but that's just crazy. The man knows the rules. He knows you can't sell your stuff. He knew what would happen. Maybe not to what extent, but he knew there would be suspensions handed out. How else do you rationalize the fact that he did absolutely nothing with the info he got in the first email? And don't tell me it's because he was told to keep it confidential, because he wasn't until the next email.
Mar 9, 2011 7:43pm
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Mar 9, 2011 7:46 PM
enigmaax;705488 wrote:I don't know. As a school, you're already on a list with about half of the schools that play FBS football with major violations this decade (please note that means the other half of those schools did not have major violations). And now you're on a shorter list of schools who have had major violations in both of its major sports in a short timeframe. And Tressel is now on yet another short list of head coaches who have been suspended for violations. That doesn't necessarily make you one of the dirtiest...but it sure as hell shoots down any thoughts you have of being one of the cleanest. Oh and by the way, that straight-laced Big Ten had more schools with major violations than any other conference.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2011/02/07/ncaa_punishes_almost_half_of_members_of_football_bowl_subdivision_for_major_rules_violations

That just means the Big Ten is more honest about reporting potential violations than other schools.

Have a nice day.
Mar 9, 2011 7:46pm