If you ignore sleeper he'll go away.

justincredible;1075015 wrote:If you ignore sleeper he'll go away.

Good point.

sleeper;1075005 wrote:Here's some links though, cue your dismissal though of it not being scientific proof:

http://nature.berkeley.edu/miltonlab/pdfs/humandiet.pdf

Basically the research talks about the flaws of the hunter gatherer lifestyle. Enjoy!

BR1986FB;1075010 wrote:As I assumed, "crickets...."

Apparently you missed a post.

justincredible;1075015 wrote:If you ignore sleeper he'll go away.

Link?

sleeper;1074961 wrote:This statement doesn't make any sense to me. Could you define what is meant by intermittent fasting? From what I understand, its eating every other day. This is under-consuming calories, because what you eat on one day is negated by what your body uses the next day + more.

A lot of IF programs aren't a day long. They can be a 16-20 hour fast, maybe like 6PM dinner the night before to 1 PM lunch the day after. This would be 19 hours for example. Then, you might eat a decent lunch and then a massive dinner (biggest meal of the day), followed by a snack before bed around 9 or 10.

This has worked for me when I've wanted to really refine body composition. However, lets say I did this 3 times a week, on average those times after the fast usually included the lunch, dinner and snack that could be upwards of 3,000-4,000 calories, if not more depending on the amount of fat. So, in standard breakdown, my weekly caloric intake would NOT be restricted, and likely it would be more than the RDA. However, when combined with training and timing, it still can lead to fat loss. That's usually the whole goal of IF, NOT to simply restrict calories.

I guess I don't understand what the advantages of eating a lunch, a big dinner, and then a snack. Why not just space out the caloric intake?

It depends on your typical diet. If you are consuming massive amounts of carbohydrates each day, it's A) impossible to fast for more than say 6-8 hours because of blood sugar fluctuations and B) you likely aren't burning any fat when you workout, just the glycogen stores and excess carbohydrate you are consuming. So yeah, for the typical person trying to lose weight, this wouldn't ever work because the fast would never work. This is one of the big problems with the Standard American Diet and diet recommendations from many physicians. They tell people to eat less, exercise more, yet the diet they tell them to consume has addictive properties to them that make people constantly hungry every few hours. Then, if someone is able to control appetite on this diet, they still aren't likely working out hard enough to actually burn fat, just the excess glucose.

So I guess a short answer to your question is that you can't just have someone start IF unless their body is adapted to being able to benefit from it. By fasting for say 16-20 hours, combined with a metabolism that doesn't have much carbohydrate storage, if I then do an intense workout (sprints, heavy lifting, whatever it might be), I'm going to be able to take excess fat AND my body is going to tap right into that fat because it's used to running on it consistently. Follow that workout with whatever you want to use to build and repair (protein, carbohydrates, combo of both) and you get the benefits. Basically, you are taking FULL advantage of both the fasted training window (where you can burn the most fat) and the lean muscle building window (when you can consume heavy carbs and protein, to stimulate insulin secretion to rebuild).

sleeper;1075002 wrote:#fraudlogic

Not surprised from a meathead like you.

Another personal attack from a troll....keep it up. "Derp derp you can't prove your diet isn't broscience, but neither can I, so i win herp derppp, #sleeperwins"

Anyone have this cookbook:

http://www.amazon.com/Paleo-Comfort-Foods-Homestyle-Gluten-Free/dp/1936608936/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1328471953&sr=8-1

Heard great things about it. Not too keen into cookbooks only because there is so much out there free. However, I've actually considered buying this one...

I have 2 primal cookbooks and have used them about 2 times total. I suck at planning meals. They are a good reference for when people come over and I don't want to explain to them why and what I eat.

Azubuike24;1075338 wrote:It depends on your typical diet. If you are consuming massive amounts of carbohydrates each day, it's A) impossible to fast for more than say 6-8 hours because of blood sugar fluctuations and B) you likely aren't burning any fat when you workout, just the glycogen stores and excess carbohydrate you are consuming. So yeah, for the typical person trying to lose weight, this wouldn't ever work because the fast would never work. This is one of the big problems with the Standard American Diet and diet recommendations from many physicians. They tell people to eat less, exercise more, yet the diet they tell them to consume has addictive properties to them that make people constantly hungry every few hours. Then, if someone is able to control appetite on this diet, they still aren't likely working out hard enough to actually burn fat, just the excess glucose.

So I guess a short answer to your question is that you can't just have someone start IF unless their body is adapted to being able to benefit from it. By fasting for say 16-20 hours, combined with a metabolism that doesn't have much carbohydrate storage, if I then do an intense workout (sprints, heavy lifting, whatever it might be), I'm going to be able to take excess fat AND my body is going to tap right into that fat because it's used to running on it consistently. Follow that workout with whatever you want to use to build and repair (protein, carbohydrates, combo of both) and you get the benefits. Basically, you are taking FULL advantage of both the fasted training window (where you can burn the most fat) and the lean muscle building window (when you can consume heavy carbs and protein, to stimulate insulin secretion to rebuild).

Thank you for this explanation. This is the kind of detail I was looking for. I'm not sure I totally understand it but my background in exercise science(and for that matter human physiology) is lacking at best.


What is your background? Uni? Or just a passion for knowledge?

Raw Dawgin' it;1075398 wrote:Another personal attack from a troll....keep it up. "Derp derp you can't prove your diet isn't broscience, but neither can I, so i win herp derppp, #sleeperwins"

I have given proof that it is broscience. Thanks though.

And last time I checked, meathead isn't a personal attack.

sleeper;1076923 wrote:Thank you for this explanation. This is the kind of detail I was looking for. I'm not sure I totally understand it but my background in exercise science(and for that matter human physiology) is lacking at best.


What is your background? Uni? Or just a passion for knowledge?

My background is in business development and training. However, it's been a passion for knowledge as you said for awhile. Actually working towards the necessary requirements and hoping to get accepted into Ohio State's Bio-Chemistry & Nutrition Science Master's program for Spring 2013. Not sure how I'm going to swing it with a full-time career, but I'll find a way.

Azubuike24;1077081 wrote:My background is in business development and training. However, it's been a passion for knowledge as you said for awhile. Actually working towards the necessary requirements and hoping to get accepted into Ohio State's Bio-Chemistry & Nutrition Science Master's program for Spring 2013. Not sure how I'm going to swing it with a full-time career, but I'll find a way.

I wish you good luck. A combination of business talent + a Masters from Ohio State is a deadly combination.

It's either OSU or Nebraska (they have a Master's program you can do with distance learning and I'd only need to go there once or twice a year probably, which wouldn't be that bad). OSU would be ideal though.

justincredible;1074568 wrote:That sounds interesting.

http://lifehacker.com/5881942/bake-an-egg-in-an-avocado-for-a-fast-and-healthy-breakfast-treat

Making this and bacon for dinner.

Made the following meals tonight. If anyone is interested I will post the recipes.

Unstuffed cabbage



Breakfast patties

justincredible;1077717 wrote:Making this and bacon for dinner.

From the comments on the lifehacker post:

"I can't wait to try this. One of my favorite food-hacks is mashing a ripe avocado into canned tuna or canned salmon. It takes the place of mayonaise, but it's way healthier and tastes 10x better. Looks disgusting but you'll stop caring when you taste it. "

That seems like it could be awesome.

justin:
How was the egg/avocado choice?

OSH;1080500 wrote:justin:
How was the egg/avocado choice?

It wasn't bad, but the avocado wasn't ripe enough. It sat at an angle, as well, so a lot of the egg rolled off the top. I am guessing it will be much better the next time I make it.

justincredible;1080511 wrote:It wasn't bad, but the avocado wasn't ripe enough. It sat at an angle, as well, so a lot of the egg rolled off the top. I am guessing it will be much better the next time I make it.

Maybe I'll give the avocado another try...

I am still addicted to bacon-wrapped eggs. I had them last night.

I've been making stuffed peppers and stuffed cabbage a lot lately. Been shuffling what I cook it in. Whether to marinate prior or just use a dipping sauce.

This is why I never buy cookbooks though. The internet and forums provide recipes unlimited...

I'm down to one goal I had...200 pounds! I've lost 14 pounds in 27 days. That's not total overall loss (with the ups and downs throughout the whole time). I figure I'll try for another 15 and be real satisfied.

Here's how it's looked over the last 27 days:

A new challege has arisen in me as of Friday. Going to get back into a keto state for 28 days and see what changes I can make in composition. Been static around 10% body fat for a while, and need something new for motivation.

Anyone with experience doing Triathalons during ketosis? I've never done it. However, I've heard both positives and negatives of it.

OSH, congrats. Keep going. It's amazing how great you can feel when you're able to put that month of results into a chart like that and see the constant downward trend...