BR1986FB;1074680 wrote:Are you saying that someone can't comfortably consume <2200 calories per day? If so, with the way I eat (LeanGains 16/8 Intermittent Fasting), my calories REGULARLY come in under 2200 at 230+ lbs bodyweight with no hunger.

I think you misinterpreted my post. I said it's unlikely he's consuming 2200 calories per day less than his BMR. That just isn't realistic unless a large majority of that is water weight.

Continue with the broscience though.

sleeper;1074693 wrote: Continue with the broscience though.

Haha...Paleo eating and intermittent fasting are the furthest thing from "broscience." :rolleyes:

BR1986FB;1074698 wrote:Haha...Paleo eating and intermittent fasting are the furthest thing from "broscience." :rolleyes:

Paleo eating is definitely bro science. I don't really know much about intermittent fasting but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand if you under-consume calories you are going to lose weight. Shocking revelation right there.

sleeper;1074699 wrote:Paleo eating is definitely bro science.

Link with scientific proof?

justincredible;1074472 wrote:My grandma. Not sure what the price is without the family discount, but I paid $2.00/lb for a half. It was an additional 50¢ for processing but my mom picked that up as part of our Christmas gift.

Well I'm definitely interested in the price, but even if it's more, that's fine. I'm actually open to just trying some new stuff. I've found about 5 or 6 local farmers and have bought from them. Some are worth it, others not, but definitely into trying new sources. Shoot me a PM if you want.

Just ate these tonight:



Salsa poached eggs! I also threw some turkey sausage in there with them. Good meal!

sleeper;1074699 wrote:Paleo eating is definitely bro science. I don't really know much about intermittent fasting but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand if you under-consume calories you are going to lose weight. Shocking revelation right there.

A lot of IF'ers don't under-consume calories.

I generally don't do more than 20-hour fasts anymore, but when I did, and was at my peak and able to easily go 36-hours or so, my food consumption windows generally included a whole 2 days worth of calories in an 8 to 12 hour span.

However, I didn't use it to drop weight. I also combined it with certain metabolic and strength training at specific times. I'd say that IF by itself may help someone improve digestion and inflammation, but it's not necessarily going to result in fat loss. Weight loss, probably...especially considering inflammation should go down and most IF's are going to have to go along with a low carbohydrate intake as those who can't burn fat during the fasted state can't possibly go that long without eating.

Sleeper, interesting that this is one of the few threads I don't find your comments highly-annoying. This is definitely great stuff to debate and other opinions are welcomed IMO. This is my passion in life, more so than anything else, so keep it coming! Some well-educated folks on here...

Azubuike24;1074726 wrote: I'd say that IF by itself may help someone improve digestion and inflammation, but it's not necessarily going to result in fat loss.

Is this assumption including a solid eating program? The reason I ask is that Martin Berkhan's (LeanGains) clients seem to shed a ton of fat while gaining muscle. They eat pretty clean, for the most part, but they do sometimes have their splurges such as cheesecake & ice cream. Fat loss doesn't seem to be an issue with IF from what I've seen.

BR1986FB;1074701 wrote:Link with scientific proof?

Scientific proof of what? The Paleo Diet is nothing more than some guy trying to make a buck off of people looking for the next cool thing to make them feel special. The concept of eating fruits and vegetables, limiting refined sugars(carbs), under consuming, is literally the standard that people should be doing, not some special diet. Do you really believe that if we eat like our ancestors, hunter gatherer style, is somehow the key to healthy living? LOL

Azubuike24;1074726 wrote:A lot of IF'ers don't under-consume calories.

This statement doesn't make any sense to me. Could you define what is meant by intermittent fasting? From what I understand, its eating every other day. This is under-consuming calories, because what you eat on one day is negated by what your body uses the next day + more.

sleeper;1074959 wrote:Scientific proof of what? The Paleo Diet is nothing more than some guy trying to make a buck off of people looking for the next cool thing to make them feel special. The concept of eating fruits and vegetables, limiting refined sugars(carbs), under consuming, is literally the standard that people should be doing, not some special diet. Do you really believe that if we eat like our ancestors, hunter gatherer style, is somehow the key to healthy living? LOL

So, as usual, you have nothing. :rolleyes:

And it's not "one guy." There are a ton of Paleo advocates besides Mark Sisson.

BR1986FB;1074973 wrote:So, as usual, you have nothing. :rolleyes:

And it's not "one guy." There are a ton of Paleo advocates besides Mark Sisson.

Who are all making money off of you. Enjoy!

Also, a lot of scientists don't waste time trying to disprove a diet fad.

I'd love to see the peer reviewed research you've read regarding the diet fad though.

sleeper;1074982 wrote:Who are all making money off of you. Enjoy!

Making money off of me? Hardly. If buying healthier qualities of meat (than McDonalds :rolleyes, no grains/starches/etc, hea;thy fats and the like are "making money", guess they have me hook, line & sinker just like the fatass "shills" that purchase from your "alleged' McDonald's. :rolleyes:

sleeper;1074984 wrote:Also, a lot of scientists don't waste time trying to disprove a diet fad.

I'd love to see the peer reviewed research you've read regarding the diet fad though.

We're STILL waiting on YOUR scientific proof.

BR1986FB;1074992 wrote:Making money off of me? Hardly. If buying healthier qualities of meat (than McDonalds :rolleyes, no grains/starches/etc, hea;thy fats and the like are "making money", guess they have me hook, line & sinker just like the fatass "shills" that purchase from your "alleged' McDonald's. :rolleyes:

You read his blog. LOL

BR1986FB;1074995 wrote:We're STILL waiting on YOUR scientific proof.

Like I said, what do you want me to prove?

Pretty sad you are asking someone to disprove something before you are willing to prove something. #fraudlogic

sleeper;1074996 wrote:You read his blog. LOL

You mean his FREE blog?

sleeper;1074997 wrote:Like I said, what do you want me to prove?

Pretty sad you are asking someone to disprove something before you are willing to prove something. #fraudlogic

Whoa...you're the one tossing out "broscience." When I ask for proof, you backtrack, try to spin it and tell me to "prove it?"

Still waiting....

BR1986FB;1074998 wrote:You mean his FREE blog?

He gets paid from you reading. It's also free marketing for himself, his book and the books of the other people out there making money off of people who can't understand common sense. Like I said, its just another diet fad built with broscience mixed in with some truths like eating fruits and vegetables and avoiding processed food. I don't need to read a book to understand processed food is bad for you, apparently you do though. Congrats!

BR1986FB;1074999 wrote:Whoa...you're the one tossing out "broscience." When I ask for proof, you backtrack, try to spin it and tell me to "prove it?"

Still waiting....

#fraudlogic

Not surprised from a meathead like you.

Here's some links though, cue your dismissal though of it not being scientific proof:

http://nature.berkeley.edu/miltonlab/pdfs/humandiet.pdf

Basically the research talks about the flaws of the hunter gatherer lifestyle. Enjoy!

sleeper;1075002 wrote:#fraudlogic

Not surprised from a meathead like you.

Still waiting, little boy...

BR1986FB;1075006 wrote:Still waiting, little boy...

:rolleyes:

sleeper;1075008 wrote::rolleyes:

As I assumed, "crickets...."